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Increased rates of depression and suicide among the younger generation, misinformation campaigns, a massive influx of supporters of fringe theories and potentially dangerous movements, an increased danger of civil war… I certainly feel like these are relevant.

All problems pertaining to social media in general and worthy of consideration. Very little relevance to one’s personal decision to use phone cameras as a tool for creative expression.

A celltard...lol
Just combine retard with a phone zombie and viola! It's a dork with a phone glued to their hands.

Good man- another more informed individual. Lots to digest!

Watch the documentary and then think about it. It should also make you investigate further the many horrid things associated with these ruddy things.

Another dimension to consider:
www.americanbar.org/groups/judicial/publications/judges_journal/2020/summer/your-cell-phone-a-spy/

Brave man 😁😁. I got absolutely whipped in another thread a while back, for mentioning similar things in regards to your own little personal tracking device

Phonetards are relentless. Once that lunacy takes hold, they are impossible to reason with...
They can't see the forest for the trees.

It is indicative of a mental condition, or perhaps we could say, lack of mental condition. Most notably observable in those that worship a certain ex-president.

From what I see in your reply, you are really enjoying a banana republic weaponizing the state against a political opponent. Looks as though you have been brainwashed thoroughly by the lamestream mediatards!

I really don't get the gist of your post, which makes me wonder if you are just trolling now.

Maybe you need new glasses.

??? It was just a comparison. I see the lameness of phonetardism in many guises.

That would be a bit difficult as my media diet is very lean and I switch off as soon as I see anyone pushing an agenda ...

My guess about all this market stuff is that the professional and enthusiast/artist/hobbyist market has always been a relatively small part of the overall camera market.

For example, way back in the film era what proportion of the camera using population were keen enough to join a camera club? Were there many Instamatic users in camera clubs? People like us were always a niche thing.

The 2000-2010 camera bubble was just that: new and interesting tech that was fashionable drew in millions of people to digital photography who were really Instamatic family snapshotters, not enthusiastic photographers who photographed landscape/street/portraits/abstracts/etc etc. Such people had always made up the majority of the photography market, and rightly so, for most people that is what photography is: the recording of personal moments. The people who took themselves seriously as image or art makers was and remains a tiny niche.

What we've seen in recent years is the introduction of better tech (smartphones) for pursuing personal family photography and the rise of social photography. Smartphones are good enough quality for those roles, always on you and live in a very convenient ecosystem traditional camera systems can't touch. The people who use them for these purposes don't mind the ergonomic inconveniences and certainly don't want to learn about ISO, f-stops and ICC profiles, why would they, they just want to take pictures. Smartphones are brilliant at what they do. We've also seen the rise of a more serious kind of image maker using those same phone cameras, as people have started to explore the capabilities and push boundaries.

But there is still a place for conventional cameras. For those who want cameras with excellent grips, viewfinders, speed, flexibility and the ability to control every aspect of image making, superb options exist. These people (people like us, presumably) always have made up a tiny minority of overall photographers and will continue to do so. However, the temporary bubble and market expansion it drove has left us with unbelievable choices of amazing gear, developed at breakneck pace.

Rather than bemoaning the collapse of the bubble and the rise of smartphones, we should be grateful for the decade of riding the wave of popularity that has left us with such fantastic cameras.

Absolutely. I for one believe we have lived through the greatest gear era of all time. Look what you can now buy, for very little money, that will run neck & neck with what Professional photographers paid an absolute fortune for, not that long ago. It's an embarrassment of riches, in nearly any format you can think of.
Just look where we are now, with what Fujifilm has brought to the medium format market. Canon & Sony to full frame. Panasonic & OMD to micro four thirds. There's just so much to pick from, basically the biggest differentiating features within a format, is the feature set. Image quality is virtually the same. Within reason. Never been a better time to be a gearhead, or casual photo snapper, for not a lot of money

A phonetard is one of many half-wits that can't chew gum and walk at the same time, but still insist on driving a vehicle whilst using their phone. I get stuck behind these dorks anytime I drive.

So it doesn’t categorically apply to those of us who choose to use our phone cameras responsibly for artistic expression? Meaning dropping the term into any conversation involving such use is superfluous, dismissive, and without value?

Five years ago when I was relegated to sleeping on the couch while recovering from a fractured right ankle (couldn't deal with the stairs to the 2nd floor bedrooms), I watched every episode of a (then) new Netflix series, "The Haunting of Hill House" on my smartphone.

It scared the livin' bejesus bells out of me. In other words, I loved every minute of it 😀

You should give your smartphone a go for movie/series viewing. That tiny "theater in your pocket" is convenient, comfortable, and doesn't diminish the experience.

I generally prefer at least an iPad sized screen for movies/TV myself, but any any viewport in a storm. I do regularly use the phone to view shorts or YouTube tutorials/commentary that isn’t about the video. Regardless, as with the choice to use the phone’s camera, why is this practice problematic and subject to dismissive criticism?

Oh it does.. I go to many concerts and theatre events, and those so-called phonetard artists are a bunch of wankers supreme. Even worse are the closet film director types that obscure your view the whole show, whilst belting out off-key singing to be included in their crappy videos. In all honesty do you even remotely think their artistic expression is worth clogging up space? Then multiply that phonetard glare at the venue by the many thousands, whilst the music experience gets ruined at ones expense. I plainly detest phonetards.

Ever encounter the phonetard zombie with their head looking downwards into their cellphone walking/crashing into someone else in the street, and blaming the other person for being an inconvenience just by occupying that spot. That is just one of many examples of a mollusk minded phonetard!
Just refuse to be a compulsion loop phonetard!

Allow me to add an example:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKAOGiYsNSg