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And you'd know all about that

Not really. They were quite efficient at silencing the effect, while doing nothing about the cause. Of course, I can link to tons of examples of this, but I'll start with just this one, from Simon Joinson, who was the DPR admin at the time:

Firstly, most of these 'troll threads' that I've seen are started by people who refuse to accept simple scientific facts, and who get aggressive when their faulty reasoning is challenged. It's not trolling to respond (as i did) to threads started to suggest that my writers are wrong about equivalent aperture by pointing to the actual science that proves they've misunderstood.

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These threads often get more posts (and even more argumentative) when they're moved to the PST forum because misinformed users start arguing with industry experts (who then complain about all this flat earth stuff appearing in their forum).

Finally I'll say this. It's simple. If a thread/post breaks our rules, it will be dealt with. There's nothing in our rules saying that discussion of equivalence is disallowed.

Pretty much sums up the situation. And, like I said, I can link to concrete examples of such.

Actually since we are talking about 2016, it was still a pretty free and easy place to argue about the pros and cons of M43, even about "that" subject. I think it is more relevant to talk about the time after the rule changes when any critical examination of the M43 format on that forum was discouraged.

2023 is a very different camera landscape to 2016, the FF mirrorless cameras we have now made M43 redundant in many ways, as many of the technical advantages that went beyond noise and aperture at equal settings, have evaporated. But I still believe that your theoretically sound thesis, falls down somewhat in practice due to different manufacturing outcomes. Sure we all exaggerated back then.

See? These can't even read. I wrote 1/1.7"+, which means 1/1.7" and any lesser sensor. With just 1 braincell, you hadda ask. Obviously.

I hope you got the joke. This can't be serious. Except it seems to be some days on some forums. 😂🤦
Yes, stay positive. 😅👍

Of course I got the joke. And my reply was a self deprecating joke which can be a whoosh for many. But I missed the (+)...

I think part of the problem, was that the M43 system, with the sensational for its time, Olympus IBIS was revolutionary, compared to the APCS DSLR cameras that most of us were using. So, criticism was not well received by many users, who were amazed by this new system. I thought at the time this was the future of digital camera formats ( as did Mike Johnston who runs the TOP blog). Add to that, the fact that Olympus have form with abandoning formats, which generated some insecurity. The sigle format structure of DPR also fostered a bunker mentality. Conversely when some of us discovered that there were better alternatives, it was difficult not to mention it in a forum where we had become part of the scenery and cause upset.

I never saw much of the M43 fanboy mentality on the Z forum. But I agree things are shaping up better here with the more open format, where we see a bit of everything, and we are not posting in one little corner of the site.

I'm shooting Sony A mount mostly, as well as some Sony E mount , I also use Minolta and Canon film gear , amongst others .
While the weathers good , I've been out taking photos, maybe the other Sony , Canon , Nikon and other shooters have as well ?

So the real question is is why are the m4/3 just staying inside on their computers on a forum so much ?

C'mon guys , get off the computer and get out with your cameras ! ;)

Like migration in the Serengeti. Watch out for crocodiles.

Don

I guess one of the advantages of m4/3 are completely lost on you then. One of the biggest draws of the system to me, is that it's small & light enough to get off the computer, take with you when you go and do something productive, and have some nice gear at hand to take some quality shots of what you've been up to. Rather than argue about the best way to set exposure, or even when or where to use the word exposure, for days and days on end.
Each to their own.

You don't seem to have read all the tread or the original post before quoting just part of what I said .
You certainly don't seem to have read much as my reply has certainly gone beyond your understanding so you have resorted to making sarky comments .
If you had read the thread fully as well as my full post would not have written what you just did .

FYI I do get the benefits of m4/3 , having a small lens if 100-300 behave like a 600mm lens does appeal .
A 50mm macro on m4/3 would also be nice .

I tend to use full frame , medium format film cameras or large format cameras for landscape , but APS-C for sport or wildlife for the extra reach .
I have a fairly compact E mount APS-C camera with a compact , collapsible 16-50mm lens attached that fits in my pocket if I want light and compact .
Any smaller than my NEX 7 would have bad ergonomics for me .
YMMV.
In this case m4/3 wouldn't give me anything the APS-C doesn't , the m4/3 offerings that have decent ergonomics and an EVF are no smaller , and a 12-25mm lens I doubt would be more compact than the 16-50mm lens I'm using .
Suitable ergonomics are dependent on the user , not the sensor size .

For smaller still that's not a camera phone , I have a Pentax Q with it's 8.5mm lens attached.
You don't get smaller than that !

My point was that one forum might be more active than others because the users are more busy on the forums than being out with their cameras .
The forums that are quite might be quite because those people are off our taking photos .
Or is that concept list on you ?

It's a shame that you don't seem to understand people like options and often use more than one system, format or media to do what they like .
Just because they choose to use something different than yourself don't fool yourself into believing that the advantages of your gear is lost on them and your somehow superior.
Everyone's requirements vary , everyone's preferences vary .
Now maybe just go out and take some pictures .

Being as I still shoot with my Minolta gear , that would make me the minority.
You Pentax guys are much more of a majority !
I have a Pentax Q just to fit in . ;)

That's a bit rich, seeing I was only replying in kind to your snarky comments regarding m4/3 owners. I've owned and used everything up to & including 36x24 myself, still own a bit of Canon APS-C gear, but m4/3 simply suits me better. That's it. Shoot whatever makes you happy, and leave others out of it. That's what I do.

You clearly don't understand humour .
My first post that you only quoted a part of was obviously written partly in jest , but you clearly took offense to it .
I'll not bother trying to explain it too you .
Regards.

Quite . So sometimes best left at that .

One note though , Bob .
Typing this on my smartphone their doesn't seem to be an option for inserting emojis such as a smiley face , a wink etc .
Is that a glitch on the forum set-up or I'm I missing something ?
Using the usual symbols don't seem to work . As in ;)
So no wink to imply jest .