• LeeJaypanorama_fish_eye
    273 posts
    2 years ago

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    Well, I'm an engineer and scientist and mother nature is not flexible about her rules.

    I think of it more as a science. But it can and does involve creativity so, I suppose.

  • LeeJaypanorama_fish_eye
    273 posts
    2 years ago

    It might be very, very hard to find that elegance and beauty, at times.

  • LeeJaypanorama_fish_eye
    273 posts
    2 years ago

    I don't know. Is one reality and one different in some way? I'm not sure what that headlight looks like.

  • JimKassonpanorama_fish_eye
    1738 posts
    2 years ago

    I'm an engineer, and I don't think of engineering as a science at all. The scientists figure out how the universe works. The engineers harness the scientists' findings to make things that are useful, and sometimes beautiful.

    BTW, most of what folks call color science isn't science. It's engineering. Real color science is a branch of psychology.

    And most of computer science isn't science.

  • JimKassonpanorama_fish_eye
    1738 posts
    2 years ago

    Next time you see a Honda Odyssey on the street, look at the headlight.

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    PNG, 513.7 KB, uploaded by JimKasson 2 years ago.

  • JimKassonpanorama_fish_eye
    1738 posts
    2 years ago

    And good engineering can be -- heck, should be -- elegant and beautiful.

    It can be well hidden. Under the skins or in the code, for example.

  • ReneGRpanorama_fish_eye
    50 posts
    2 years ago

    This definition is very questionable. Art is not typical in a visual form. We have music and lyrics. It is also not primarily to produce works to be appreciated for beauty or emotional power. Art can also be ugly and sometimes speaks to the intellect.

    I found this more reasonable definition in the net claiming to cite some Oxford dictionary: "the use of the imagination to express ideas or feelings, particularly in painting, drawing, or sculpture". This contradicts simple image shooting without an imagination, idea or feeling, i.e., most of my own images. I am okay with that.

  • LeeJaypanorama_fish_eye
    273 posts
    2 years ago

    Well, I've spent most of my career as a research engineer at a national lab using engineering to do science, so maybe that's colored my thinking.

    Here. Something I engineered (it's a test machine for a particular type of research).
    photos.imageevent.com/sipphoto/samplepictures/huge/IMG_2496.jpg

  • bobn2panorama_fish_eye
    2 years ago

    The headlight would have been designed by a car stylist, not an engineer. Car stylists are trained in art schools.

  • bobn2panorama_fish_eye
    2 years ago

    Most of it is, just nothing to do with computers. Or maybe it's maths.

  • Dannyhelp_outline
    435 posts
    2 years ago

    Excellent shot. Nice button pushing that I do as well 😉

    Danny.

  • bobn2panorama_fish_eye
    2 years ago

    Depends on where you're looking at them from.

  • bobn2panorama_fish_eye
    2 years ago

    That's the best engineers. Engineering has, over time, evolved into a very conservative set of disciplines. You can see why - when you're designing things on which lives depend, innovation is not encouraged. So yes, most engineers work from the textbook and reconfiguring established solutions, because that is how they are trained.

  • bobn2panorama_fish_eye
    2 years ago

    But your argument applies just as much to painting. That was the point.

  • Mackiesbackpanorama_fish_eye
    243 posts
    2 years ago

    I am of the mindset that stylists create the perimeter shape of the headlight, the aesthetic portion of it, and engineers fill that hole with function. I don't see a stylist designing that lens.

  • Dannyhelp_outline
    435 posts
    2 years ago

    If beauty is in the eye of the beholder, then art should be in the eye of the beholder .... IMHO.

    Danny.

  • DeletedRemoved user
    2 years ago

    of course photography can be art . . . in the right hands.

  • LeeJaypanorama_fish_eye
    273 posts
    2 years ago

    I don't think defining something as art should be an aesthetic judgement. If it was, most art wouldn't be art.