• AlanShlens
    9 months ago

    I went on a walk with my club last night around a reservoir. Here's some pictures I took - suitably edited. Comments invited.

    Along the res_(Superlarge).jpg

    down the steps_(Superlarge).jpg

    Looking through_(Superlarge).jpg

    Over the wall_(Superlarge).jpg

    Steps to a blue sky_(Superlarge).jpg

    Who is round the bend_(Superlarge).jpg

    iron age_(Superlarge).jpg

    iron age_(Superlarge).jpg

    JPG, 2.1 MB, uploaded by AlanSh 9 months ago.

    Who is round the bend_(Superlarge).jpg

    JPG, 3.0 MB, uploaded by AlanSh 9 months ago.

    Steps to a blue sky_(Superlarge).jpg

    JPG, 2.1 MB, uploaded by AlanSh 9 months ago.

    Over the wall_(Superlarge).jpg

    JPG, 1.3 MB, uploaded by AlanSh 9 months ago.

    down the steps_(Superlarge).jpg

    JPG, 1.6 MB, uploaded by AlanSh 9 months ago.

    Looking through_(Superlarge).jpg

    JPG, 1.2 MB, uploaded by AlanSh 9 months ago.

    Along the res_(Superlarge).jpg

    JPG, 1.4 MB, uploaded by AlanSh 9 months ago.

  • ChrisOlypanorama_fish_eye
    1532 posts
    9 months ago

    It's not negative criticism, but to my eye we are dealing with some purple rendition in most pictures, alas. A bit distracting, but your subject is certainly very appealing and interesting. My fave is the shot (#5) with steps in the middle. Great scenery.

    B&w renditions are also very engaging.

    I just wonder if this is maybe Fuji colour interpretation rather than pp.

  • AlanShlens
    9 months ago

    The purple may be ON1 Photo Raw doing it's stuff when you do the AI Brilliance. I noticed it didn't look quite right, but I still liked it. NUmbers 1,4, 5 and 6 are the ones I think. Which did you see it in?

    Thanks for the feedback.

    Alan

  • ChrisOlypanorama_fish_eye
    1532 posts
    9 months ago

    Basically all colour ones I am afraid.
    Still, #5 is brilliant (imho).

  • AlanShlens
    9 months ago

    Interesting. Here's the original JPG SOOC of one of them. The camera applied Provia film simulation (as I normally have). Maybe that's it.
    QSCF0139.JPG

    QSCF0139.JPG

    JPG, 19.9 MB, uploaded by AlanSh 9 months ago.

  • ChrisOlypanorama_fish_eye
    1532 posts
    9 months ago

    Well, slight purple tinge is visible, to me. Maybe it's a Fuji colour signature, or Provia simulator?! Short of comparison with your team mates cameras I am at a loss...
    Still, I vote for #5!!!

  • AlanShlens
    9 months ago

    Thanks. No real way of knowing. But thank you for the vote.

    Can anyone else see this?

    Alan

  • ArvoJlens
    9 months ago

    Yes. Can you alter color simulation in your software or just upload raw file somewhere to process?

    And I like #2 :)

  • AlanShlens
  • AlanShlens
    9 months ago

    And here's the raw file, processed in Photoshop with "Adobe Standard" applied and a JPG created

    QSCF0139 copy.jpg

    QSCF0139 copy.jpg

    JPG, 21.1 MB, uploaded by AlanSh 9 months ago.

  • ArvoJlens
    9 months ago

    Silkypix shows me original white balance near daylight (5417K) + lot of purple tint (15 - I don't know units, but usually color shift is 2 or 3).
    I made two versions - full auto adjustment (7457K! + whatever adjustments Silkypix does) and cloudy (6000K) without purple, without dynamic adjustments and without film simulation. Sorry about resolution - I just was interested in colours.
    Maybe it was unusual lighting this day and your camera picked it up not that correctly? Of course I can't know, do Silkypix colours looke more natural or not - I was not there :)

    QSCF0139-auto.jpg

    QSCF0139-cloudy.jpg

    QSCF0139-cloudy.jpg

    JPG, 176.5 KB, uploaded by ArvoJ 9 months ago.

    QSCF0139-auto.jpg

    JPG, 183.6 KB, uploaded by ArvoJ 9 months ago.

  • AlanShlens
    9 months ago

    Thanks Arvo.

    It must be something the camera does. Or the camera/lens combination.

    But I really don't mind the purple in it - it adds a touch of 'excitement' to the photo.

    Alan

  • ArvoJlens
    9 months ago

    Or it was just the light - your #4 shows sunset(?) and clouds, which can be the reason. For that 0139 image I can guess that camera decided to make sky color right - in your original it is certainly more beliveable than in Silkypix auto-adjusted version (sky is a bit yellowish there).

    I also are not against the purplish tint - it's just interesting, what could cause that.

  • AlanShlens
    9 months ago

    I installed silkypix - the fuji raw converter version - and loaded in that file. I immediately saw what you meant about the colour offset of 15. Set it to zero and it looked much nicer.

    BUT - I get an error "Cannot write in this folder. Specify another folder." message 5407 when I try and 'develop' anything. Any idea what that means? I've tried loads of folders and always get the same error.
    [edit - never mind, it was Windows Security kicking in]

    Here's the image with only that adjusted:

    QSCF0139 (Superlarge).jpg

    Alan

    QSCF0139 (Superlarge).jpg

    JPG, 1012.2 KB, uploaded by AlanSh 9 months ago.

  • DonaldBpanorama_fish_eye
    2366 posts
    9 months ago

    the purple tint is baked into the film sim your using. thats what film sims do.

  • DanHasLeftForumhelp_outline
    4254 posts
    9 months ago

    The B&Ws look nice but the colour ones don't do much for me.

    If sooc jpegs and/or images pp'd from them give you images you like then that is all well and good.

    But if you need maximum control and maximum options over the final output image then you need to convert and process the raw files manually.

    Using sooc jpegs you are relying on the camera to get the raw conversion correct before you do any suitable editing of the sooc jpeg.

  • AlanShlens
    9 months ago

    Thanks, but all the original files I posted were taken from the raw. But if the s/w uses the film simulation as a base, then it will carry forward the purple (actually Magenta) and use it to create the JPGs.
    Alan

  • DanHasLeftForumhelp_outline
    4254 posts
    9 months ago

    Ok, then since you processed the raw files you have full control over the final image.

    Fwiw, this is a quick conversion of your linked raw file in PSE's ACR.


    dprevived.com/media/attachments/de/82/vb6mtXtBRDvXgo6mye27HnWdVUAtPDuVybz1nXHCimeCGimAgEepGoYWnzBErFwA/alansrawinacr.jpg

    alansRawInACR.jpg

    JPG, 196.1 KB, uploaded by DanHasLeftForum 9 months ago.

  • NCVpanorama_fish_eye
    1994 posts
    9 months ago

    To come back to your set, I like the composition of the steps disappearing into the distance.

    As for colour casts; cloudy days are devilishly difficult, regarding this aspect.

  • 9 months ago

    Yes, though when enlarged, the bluishness is less objectionable..

    I downloaded your raw file and looked at it in Photolab. I cannot see any significant difference to the colours. I used to have this problem with similar analog photos on overcast days in the north of England (e.g. Ilkley moor) and had to use a filter to avoid it. I suggest that next time in similar circumstances you take a photo of a grey card (or white shirt or handkerchief!) And use that as a reference for colour temperature correction. This is easily done in PL, but I dont know how in other software. (Photoshop "Auto Colour" did not improve it.)

    On another matter, the resolution of your raw file when it arrived here was much worse than the OOC jpeg you have posted. This is most obvious looking at the gate in the middle of the picture. On the RAF file it looks quite blurred by comparison. Odd!

    David

  • DanHasLeftForumhelp_outline
    4254 posts
    9 months ago

    I don't see why it should be just because it's overcast or unless someone uses sooc jpegs where the white balance is baked into the jpeg's rgb data. If shooting raw the white balance is set manually to whatever you like in the raw converter app without being limited to the fixed options in the camera.

    In Alan's case it seems one of the default settings in his raw converter, as described earlier, is causing his color cast issue.

    This is a quick and basic raw conversion of Alan's raw file using PSE's ACR. I don't see any colour cast on my screen.


    dprevived.com/media/attachments/de/82/vb6mtXtBRDvXgo6mye27HnWdVUAtPDuVybz1nXHCimeCGimAgEepGoYWnzBErFwA/alansrawinacr.jpg

  • AlanShlens
    9 months ago

    Weird. This is a 100% view in ACR screenshotted from my laptop before any sharpening or noise reduction or anything else

    image.png

    and this is the 100% from the resultant JPG (also screenshot)

    image.png

    Is there that much difference? What s/w are you using?

    Alan

    image.png

    PNG, 219.5 KB, uploaded by AlanSh 9 months ago.

    image.png

    PNG, 391.1 KB, uploaded by AlanSh 9 months ago.

  • DanHasLeftForumhelp_outline
    4254 posts
    9 months ago

    I would think all reputable raw converters have a white balance tool.

    In the absence of using a grey card, a quick way of setting at least a good white balance starting point is to use the white balance tool to click on something that is supposed to be a neutral colour (r=g=b) in the scene.

    The lighter the neutral colour the better as it is more likely to be less noisy than a dark neutral color because of the relatively larger amount of light recorded by the sensor for that part of the scene.