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Club walk

AlanSh
June 12, 2024
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    AlanSh
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    June 12, 2024, 1:24 p.m. June 12, 2024, 1:24 p.m.
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    I went on a walk with my club last night around a reservoir. Here's some pictures I took - suitably edited. Comments invited.

    Along the res_(Superlarge).jpg

    down the steps_(Superlarge).jpg

    Looking through_(Superlarge).jpg

    Over the wall_(Superlarge).jpg

    Steps to a blue sky_(Superlarge).jpg

    Who is round the bend_(Superlarge).jpg

    iron age_(Superlarge).jpg

    iron age_(Superlarge).jpg

    JPG, 2.1 MB, uploaded by AlanSh on June 12, 2024.

    Who is round the bend_(Superlarge).jpg

    JPG, 3.0 MB, uploaded by AlanSh on June 12, 2024.

    Steps to a blue sky_(Superlarge).jpg

    JPG, 2.1 MB, uploaded by AlanSh on June 12, 2024.

    Over the wall_(Superlarge).jpg

    JPG, 1.3 MB, uploaded by AlanSh on June 12, 2024.

    down the steps_(Superlarge).jpg

    JPG, 1.6 MB, uploaded by AlanSh on June 12, 2024.

    Looking through_(Superlarge).jpg

    JPG, 1.2 MB, uploaded by AlanSh on June 12, 2024.

    Along the res_(Superlarge).jpg

    JPG, 1.4 MB, uploaded by AlanSh on June 12, 2024.

    Preben and Photobygms like this.

    favorite 2

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    ChrisOly
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    June 12, 2024, 3:19 p.m. June 12, 2024, 3:19 p.m.
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    @AlanSh has written:

    I went on a walk with my club last night around a reservoir. Here's some pictures I took - suitably edited. Comments invited.

    Along the res_(Superlarge).jpg

    down the steps_(Superlarge).jpg

    Looking through_(Superlarge).jpg

    Over the wall_(Superlarge).jpg

    Steps to a blue sky_(Superlarge).jpg

    Who is round the bend_(Superlarge).jpg

    iron age_(Superlarge).jpg

    It's not negative criticism, but to my eye we are dealing with some purple rendition in most pictures, alas. A bit distracting, but your subject is certainly very appealing and interesting. My fave is the shot (#5) with steps in the middle. Great scenery.

    B&w renditions are also very engaging.

    I just wonder if this is maybe Fuji colour interpretation rather than pp.

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    AlanSh
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    June 12, 2024, 4:48 p.m. June 12, 2024, 4:48 p.m.
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    The purple may be ON1 Photo Raw doing it's stuff when you do the AI Brilliance. I noticed it didn't look quite right, but I still liked it. NUmbers 1,4, 5 and 6 are the ones I think. Which did you see it in?

    Thanks for the feedback.

    Alan

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    ChrisOly
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    June 12, 2024, 4:51 p.m. June 12, 2024, 4:51 p.m.
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    @AlanSh has written:

    The purple may be ON1 Photo Raw doing it's stuff when you do the AI Brilliance. I noticed it didn't look quite right, but I still liked it. NUmbers 1,4, 5 and 6 are the ones I think. Which did you see it in?

    Thanks for the feedback.

    Alan

    Basically all colour ones I am afraid.
    Still, #5 is brilliant (imho).

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    AlanSh
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    June 12, 2024, 6:01 p.m. June 12, 2024, 6:01 p.m.
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    @ChrisOly has written:
    @AlanSh has written:

    The purple may be ON1 Photo Raw doing it's stuff when you do the AI Brilliance. I noticed it didn't look quite right, but I still liked it. NUmbers 1,4, 5 and 6 are the ones I think. Which did you see it in?

    Thanks for the feedback.

    Alan

    Basically all colour ones I am afraid.
    Still, #5 is brilliant (imho).

    Interesting. Here's the original JPG SOOC of one of them. The camera applied Provia film simulation (as I normally have). Maybe that's it.
    QSCF0139.JPG

    QSCF0139.JPG

    JPG, 19.9 MB, uploaded by AlanSh on June 12, 2024.

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    ChrisOly
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    June 12, 2024, 6:17 p.m. June 12, 2024, 6:17 p.m.
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    @AlanSh has written:
    @ChrisOly has written:
    @AlanSh has written:

    The purple may be ON1 Photo Raw doing it's stuff when you do the AI Brilliance. I noticed it didn't look quite right, but I still liked it. NUmbers 1,4, 5 and 6 are the ones I think. Which did you see it in?

    Thanks for the feedback.

    Alan

    Basically all colour ones I am afraid.
    Still, #5 is brilliant (imho).

    Interesting. Here's the original JPG SOOC of one of them. The camera applied Provia film simulation (as I normally have). Maybe that's it.
    QSCF0139.JPG

    Well, slight purple tinge is visible, to me. Maybe it's a Fuji colour signature, or Provia simulator?! Short of comparison with your team mates cameras I am at a loss...
    Still, I vote for #5!!!

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    AlanSh
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    June 12, 2024, 6:25 p.m. June 12, 2024, 6:25 p.m.
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    Thanks. No real way of knowing. But thank you for the vote.

    Can anyone else see this?

    Alan

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    ArvoJ
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    June 12, 2024, 6:30 p.m. June 12, 2024, 6:30 p.m.
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    @AlanSh has written:

    Can anyone else see this?

    Yes. Can you alter color simulation in your software or just upload raw file somewhere to process?

    And I like #2 :)

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    AlanSh
    Forum Admin 3257 posts
    June 12, 2024, 6:35 p.m. June 12, 2024, 6:35 p.m.
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    Here's a link to the raw file www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/8jhh75tfvfnxz0ny5dmwm/QSCF0139.RAF?rlkey=ws6y1rivruecermqfzm8fba7l&dl=1

    Alan

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    AlanSh
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    June 12, 2024, 6:36 p.m. June 12, 2024, 6:36 p.m.
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    And here's the raw file, processed in Photoshop with "Adobe Standard" applied and a JPG created

    QSCF0139 copy.jpg

    QSCF0139 copy.jpg

    JPG, 21.1 MB, uploaded by AlanSh on June 12, 2024.

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    ArvoJ
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    June 12, 2024, 7:11 p.m. June 12, 2024, 7:11 p.m.
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    Silkypix shows me original white balance near daylight (5417K) + lot of purple tint (15 - I don't know units, but usually color shift is 2 or 3).
    I made two versions - full auto adjustment (7457K! + whatever adjustments Silkypix does) and cloudy (6000K) without purple, without dynamic adjustments and without film simulation. Sorry about resolution - I just was interested in colours.
    Maybe it was unusual lighting this day and your camera picked it up not that correctly? Of course I can't know, do Silkypix colours looke more natural or not - I was not there :)

    QSCF0139-auto.jpg

    QSCF0139-cloudy.jpg

    QSCF0139-cloudy.jpg

    JPG, 176.5 KB, uploaded by ArvoJ on June 12, 2024.

    QSCF0139-auto.jpg

    JPG, 183.6 KB, uploaded by ArvoJ on June 12, 2024.

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    AlanSh
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    June 12, 2024, 7:43 p.m. June 12, 2024, 7:43 p.m.
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    Thanks Arvo.

    It must be something the camera does. Or the camera/lens combination.

    But I really don't mind the purple in it - it adds a touch of 'excitement' to the photo.

    Alan

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    ArvoJ
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    June 12, 2024, 7:52 p.m. June 12, 2024, 7:52 p.m.
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    Or it was just the light - your #4 shows sunset(?) and clouds, which can be the reason. For that 0139 image I can guess that camera decided to make sky color right - in your original it is certainly more beliveable than in Silkypix auto-adjusted version (sky is a bit yellowish there).

    I also are not against the purplish tint - it's just interesting, what could cause that.

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    AlanSh
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    June 12, 2024, 8:04 p.m. June 12, 2024, 8:04 p.m.
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    I installed silkypix - the fuji raw converter version - and loaded in that file. I immediately saw what you meant about the colour offset of 15. Set it to zero and it looked much nicer.

    BUT - I get an error "Cannot write in this folder. Specify another folder." message 5407 when I try and 'develop' anything. Any idea what that means? I've tried loads of folders and always get the same error.
    [edit - never mind, it was Windows Security kicking in]

    Here's the image with only that adjusted:

    QSCF0139 (Superlarge).jpg

    Alan

    QSCF0139 (Superlarge).jpg

    JPG, 1012.2 KB, uploaded by AlanSh on June 12, 2024.

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    DonaldB
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    June 12, 2024, 8:29 p.m. June 12, 2024, 8:29 p.m.
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    the purple tint is baked into the film sim your using. thats what film sims do.

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    DanHasLeftForum
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    June 12, 2024, 9:27 p.m. June 12, 2024, 9:27 p.m.
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    @AlanSh has written:

    I went on a walk with my club last night around a reservoir. Here's some pictures I took - suitably edited. Comments invited.

    The B&Ws look nice but the colour ones don't do much for me.

    If sooc jpegs and/or images pp'd from them give you images you like then that is all well and good.

    But if you need maximum control and maximum options over the final output image then you need to convert and process the raw files manually.

    Using sooc jpegs you are relying on the camera to get the raw conversion correct before you do any suitable editing of the sooc jpeg.

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    AlanSh
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    June 12, 2024, 10:44 p.m. June 12, 2024, 10:44 p.m.
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    Thanks, but all the original files I posted were taken from the raw. But if the s/w uses the film simulation as a base, then it will carry forward the purple (actually Magenta) and use it to create the JPGs.
    Alan

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    DanHasLeftForum
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    June 13, 2024, 12:01 a.m. June 13, 2024, 12:01 a.m.
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    @AlanSh has written:

    Thanks, but all the original files I posted were taken from the raw. But if the s/w uses the film simulation as a base, then it will carry forward the purple (actually Magenta) and use it to create the JPGs.
    Alan

    Ok, then since you processed the raw files you have full control over the final image.

    Fwiw, this is a quick conversion of your linked raw file in PSE's ACR.


    dprevived.com/media/attachments/de/82/vb6mtXtBRDvXgo6mye27HnWdVUAtPDuVybz1nXHCimeCGimAgEepGoYWnzBErFwA/alansrawinacr.jpg

    alansRawInACR.jpg

    JPG, 196.1 KB, uploaded by DanHasLeftForum on June 13, 2024.

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    NCV
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    June 13, 2024, 4:27 a.m. June 13, 2024, 4:27 a.m.
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    To come back to your set, I like the composition of the steps disappearing into the distance.

    As for colour casts; cloudy days are devilishly difficult, regarding this aspect.

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    davidwien
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    June 13, 2024, 5:57 a.m. June 13, 2024, 5:57 a.m.
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    @AlanSh has written:

    Thanks. No real way of knowing. But thank you for the vote.

    Can anyone else see this?

    Yes, though when enlarged, the bluishness is less objectionable..

    I downloaded your raw file and looked at it in Photolab. I cannot see any significant difference to the colours. I used to have this problem with similar analog photos on overcast days in the north of England (e.g. Ilkley moor) and had to use a filter to avoid it. I suggest that next time in similar circumstances you take a photo of a grey card (or white shirt or handkerchief!) And use that as a reference for colour temperature correction. This is easily done in PL, but I dont know how in other software. (Photoshop "Auto Colour" did not improve it.)

    On another matter, the resolution of your raw file when it arrived here was much worse than the OOC jpeg you have posted. This is most obvious looking at the gate in the middle of the picture. On the RAF file it looks quite blurred by comparison. Odd!

    David

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    DanHasLeftForum
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    June 13, 2024, 6:57 a.m. June 13, 2024, 6:57 a.m.
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    @NCV has written:

    To come back to your set, I like the composition of the steps disappearing into the distance.

    As for colour casts; cloudy days are devilishly difficult, regarding this aspect.

    I don't see why it should be just because it's overcast or unless someone uses sooc jpegs where the white balance is baked into the jpeg's rgb data. If shooting raw the white balance is set manually to whatever you like in the raw converter app without being limited to the fixed options in the camera.

    In Alan's case it seems one of the default settings in his raw converter, as described earlier, is causing his color cast issue.

    This is a quick and basic raw conversion of Alan's raw file using PSE's ACR. I don't see any colour cast on my screen.


    dprevived.com/media/attachments/de/82/vb6mtXtBRDvXgo6mye27HnWdVUAtPDuVybz1nXHCimeCGimAgEepGoYWnzBErFwA/alansrawinacr.jpg

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    AlanSh
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    June 13, 2024, 9:48 a.m. June 13, 2024, 9:48 a.m.
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    @davidwien has written:

    On another matter, the resolution of your raw file when it arrived here was much worse than the OOC jpeg you have posted. This is most obvious looking at the gate in the middle of the picture. On the RAF file it looks quite blurred by comparison. Odd!

    Weird. This is a 100% view in ACR screenshotted from my laptop before any sharpening or noise reduction or anything else

    image.png

    and this is the 100% from the resultant JPG (also screenshot)

    image.png

    Is there that much difference? What s/w are you using?

    Alan

    image.png

    PNG, 219.5 KB, uploaded by AlanSh on June 13, 2024.

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    PNG, 391.1 KB, uploaded by AlanSh on June 13, 2024.

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    DanHasLeftForum
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    June 14, 2024, 4:31 a.m. June 14, 2024, 4:31 a.m.
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    @davidwien has written:

    I downloaded your raw file and looked at it in Photolab. I cannot see any significant difference to the colours. I used to have this problem with similar analog photos on overcast days in the north of England (e.g. Ilkley moor) and had to use a filter to avoid it. I suggest that next time in similar circumstances you take a photo of a grey card (or white shirt or handkerchief!) And use that as a reference for colour temperature correction. This is easily done in PL, but I dont know how in other software. (Photoshop "Auto Colour" did not improve it.)

    I would think all reputable raw converters have a white balance tool.

    In the absence of using a grey card, a quick way of setting at least a good white balance starting point is to use the white balance tool to click on something that is supposed to be a neutral colour (r=g=b) in the scene.

    The lighter the neutral colour the better as it is more likely to be less noisy than a dark neutral color because of the relatively larger amount of light recorded by the sensor for that part of the scene.

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