• June 9, 2023, 4:15 p.m.

    Refer to my more pedantic answer. 'Pushing it' in PP isn't really changing the ISO, since ISO is a guide to setting exposure.
    Given a lot of surrounding explanation, the triangle might engender fewer conceptual errors, but I've never seen a version of the triangle which includes the explanation that you gave above.

  • Members 1737 posts
    June 9, 2023, 4:18 p.m.

    Changing ISO doesn't necessarily change the amount of light that hits the sensor. Aim your camera at a scene. Set ISO to 100, shutter to 1/100th, f-stop to 8, and don't change the scene lighting. Now change the ISO to 200. The same amount of light hits the sensor.

  • Members 1737 posts
    June 9, 2023, 4:20 p.m.

    Sensors clip hard. Changing the mis-named "Exposure" control in Lr introduces a shoulder, kinda like film. In some cases, increasing ISO can result in a decrease in read noise, especially in dual conversion gain cameras. Did you read the Lensrentals blog posts that I linked to above?

  • June 9, 2023, 4:21 p.m.

    That depends. ISO only defines the relationship between exposure and lightness for in-camera processing. So, it's not strictly correct to say that changing the lightness in out-of-camera processing is changing the ISO - it's just processing as you want.
    The ISO control itself likely has a number of un-mandated side effects, designed by the manufacturer to optimise for the expected exposure at that ISO setting. Being un-mandated these are completely unstandardised and left to the design of the individual camera. As a rule they are designed to maximise saturation capacity at low ISO settings and minimise electronic noise at high ISO settings. But if you know your camera well you might find a better combination of exposure and ISO setting than the 'default' ones - assuming that you do the processing out of camera (or change the defaults for in-camera processing).

  • Members 280 posts
    June 9, 2023, 4:31 p.m.

    The shutter speed and aperture (and the brightness of the scene) determine the amount of light hitting the sensor -- i.e. the exposure. Changing the ISO number, if you are in A, S or P mode, will put a bias on the metering.

    Don

  • Members 976 posts
    June 9, 2023, 5:47 p.m.

    Another way to "push" is to make the monitor brighter.

  • Removed user
    June 9, 2023, 9:07 p.m.

    Excellent! My monitor is set to put out 80 cd/m^2 in my dim room, so I could crank it back up to 300 and get a 'push' of 1.9 EV.

  • Members 1737 posts
    June 9, 2023, 9:30 p.m.

    User adaptation will reduce that.

  • Members 2310 posts
    June 9, 2023, 9:38 p.m.

    Yes

  • Members 2310 posts
    June 9, 2023, 9:48 p.m.

    exactlly. and you cant push a raw image 5 stops without image degrading consequences.

  • Members 2310 posts
    June 9, 2023, 9:51 p.m.

    of cause it does in a very efficent visual sense. just imagine the 4 or 5 of you still cant come up with a better visual concept.

  • Members 2310 posts
    June 9, 2023, 9:59 p.m.

    and the same amount of radio signal hits your head as well but you cant hear the song playing 😵‍💫🤨 or maybe you can 👽👽

  • Members 2310 posts
    June 9, 2023, 10:03 p.m.

    wife : dear why are you weraing your sunglasses looking at your images !
    husband: im playing with my new new pair of ND filters 🤣🤣

  • Members 976 posts
    June 9, 2023, 10:04 p.m.

    And what do you think ISO + 5 stops does other than push?

  • Members 317 posts
    June 9, 2023, 10:11 p.m.

    A push with less image degrading consequences?

    E.g. dual ISO.

  • Members 1737 posts
    June 9, 2023, 10:14 p.m.

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  • Members 976 posts
    June 9, 2023, 10:15 p.m.

    Still a push.

  • Members 1737 posts
    June 9, 2023, 10:21 p.m.

    Often, pushing in post yields better IQ than cranking up the ISO.