• Members 272 posts
    July 22, 2024, 6:16 p.m.

    Only if you'd block about the right half of your field of view.
    And look at the right hand side bench, perfectly parallel to upper/lower borders of the image, and (almost?) centered horizontally in the image: first impression tells me i'm sitting (or standing) in the middle of that bench, not to the right of it.

  • Members 106 posts
    July 22, 2024, 6:30 p.m.

    "Your" field of view, or the camera's? If I blocked the right half of the camera's, everything to the right of the center lamp would be gone including the scene's viewpoint, so why would anybody do that?

    As Bob said "Photographers have the luxury of making it the last thing they do, or just leaving that decision to the viewer. Maybe that's why they get confused about what is the scene and what is the picture.".

  • Members 1432 posts
    July 22, 2024, 7:01 p.m.

    No the viewer can be off centre and the sightline can be off centre too. You can see it graphically below. I have shown the exact position of the sightline/camera axis

    We are all used to the "bulls eye" use of one point perspective.

    2024-07-22_205650eye.jpg

    If I am standing on one of the rails of a straight railway rack stretching out to infinity, the result is pretty much the same, and I can frame my picure with the rail parallel with my eye sight line, cropped eccentrically.

    2024-07-22_205650eye.jpg

    JPG, 495.2 KB, uploaded by NCV on July 22, 2024.

  • Members 1432 posts
    July 22, 2024, 7:24 p.m.

    It is exactly what I saw, stood to one side of the aisle. Diagonal shift was used to render the verticals vertical, and the roof trusses and benches parallel with the top and bottom frame edges.

    I have just applied corrections to the pictures, that simulate closely the corrections our brain applies to a scene. We perceive the vertical walls of buildings as being vertical, even when looking slightly upwards.

  • Members 1432 posts
    July 22, 2024, 7:35 p.m.

    I do not entirely agree with this. Take a look at the building where you live. look slightly upwards. Do you perceive the building as leaning backwards as the impression of key-stoning in photograph suggests? I would guess that 99.9% of people looking at a building with vertical walls, perceive the walls as being vertical, unless we are looking up at a very tall building.

    The standard of photography in both paper and electronic publications has fallen drastically in recent years, as the NG part of the post shows clearly. I also would think that the importance of the picture editor has diminished drastically.

  • Foundation 1389 posts
    July 22, 2024, 8:11 p.m.

    From the position that I clearly described, the right hand side of the church is completely blocked off by the pillar!

    David

  • Members 3226 posts
    July 22, 2024, 9:25 p.m.

    That is entirely consistent with what I said earlier in that not everyone's eyes and brain interact exactly the same.

    That image, while nice artistically, looks unnatural to me for the reasons posted earlier.

  • Members 937 posts
    July 23, 2024, 12:33 a.m.

    I am thankful you have created this thread. It is good to correlate theory with practical examples.
    When I first saw the above pic in a series you posted, I only glanced at this one because I was looking at the series as a whole. I was uneducated / blind to what was going on here but from memory, at the time I knew something was different.
    Now I know, I can see what the intent was and appreciate the result. I have read many of your posts re shift lenses but only partially understood their purpose.
    Photography has helped my vision / experience of the world, from noticing things in my peripheral view, to taking in distant things I never noticed. This thread in conjunction with the theory of Tom's threads has allowed me to build the conceptual framework that my mind enjoys. We really do have the best computer ever created, sitting right between our ears. We just have to learn how to use it...

  • Members 1432 posts
    July 23, 2024, 5:10 a.m.

    Thanks.

    One of the great things about photography, is that it forces us to stop and really look at the world around us. Yes, our onboard computer is unmatchable, in the way it interprets what we see though our eyes.

  • Members 114 posts
    July 23, 2024, 7:42 p.m.

    Thanks for sharing this!

  • Members 545 posts
    July 26, 2024, 9:29 a.m.

    It is interesting that the main subject of this painting (the twelve figures spread along the table) are in the essentially flat perspective of traditional paintings of that time. They are all more-or-less in a plane and show very limited impression of depth. The background with the dramatic one-point perspective looks like an afterthought.

    If it was done today, it would probably be attributed to poor quality AI or a photoshopped image in which a dull background had been replaced by something more eye-catching!

  • Members 1432 posts
    July 27, 2024, 6:57 p.m.

    I cannot remember the source, but they were not able at this point in time to apply perspective drawing to people.