• Members 252 posts
    June 9, 2023, 10:14 a.m.

    Making a distinction between 'beginner' and an 'advanced user' might be beneficial here as personally I cant imagine for any novice wanting to dive (deep) into raw territory allready. Whenever new to photography the user gets motivated by the urge to capture the moment, any distraction at that point in time with (at that point in time) 'dull theory' will demotivate sooner than it will motivate.

  • Members 3916 posts
    June 9, 2023, 10:22 a.m.

    I was still a beginner when I first became aware of raw data files as opposed to just sooc jpegs.

    It wasn't a huge leap for me going from sooc jpegs to processing raw files.

  • June 9, 2023, 11:09 a.m.

    There isn't a clear boundary between a 'beginner' and an 'advanced user'. Some people consider themselves 'beginners' whilst others with the same level of knowledge and proficiency would consider themselves 'advanced users'. An if you look through the BQ forum on DPReview you find many queries about 'raw territory'. The problem is that if your brain gets filled with false notions at the start it becomes very hard to unlearn.

  • June 9, 2023, 11:13 a.m.

    We aren't talking about anything approaching 'scientific papers'. This is the very basics of photography, which you'd find in almost every textbook published before the internet weaved its wonders of meme creation and popular misinformation. It's just that you, like everyone else in that camp, are just in denial about the limit of your knowledge of the basics and object to the idea that people just starting out might be taught more than you ever understood.

  • Members 746 posts
    June 9, 2023, 11:28 a.m.

    Lol. You have a very distorted view of "the basics" and of beginners. The best teachers, the ones that people actually listen to, are the ones that make the subject matter logical, and easily understood. Not go on and on and on, Ad infinitum, on the definition of one single word. For example

  • Members 457 posts
    June 9, 2023, 11:30 a.m.

    One of the most essential life wisdom also applies on this forum: A lesson is repeated until learned.

  • Members 3916 posts
    June 9, 2023, 11:33 a.m.

    I haven't come across a beginner yet that was unable to understand a basic fundamental of photography in that exposure is the amount of light that struck the sensor per unit area while the shutter was open.

  • June 9, 2023, 11:36 a.m.

    What do you think that the basics for beginners are then? Is not exposure one of them?

  • Members 2303 posts
    June 9, 2023, 11:43 a.m.

    Jims comment to the lady , “However, it’s important to note that higher ISO values may introduce noise, reducing the overall image quality.”

    At the same exposure, setting the ISO higher will reduce input-referred read noise or leave it unaffected. Photon noise is determined by exposure, not ISO setting.
    🙄🙄😴

  • June 9, 2023, 12:11 p.m.

    Sure, the lady, whom we should assume is an expert, should be expected to read this and understand why her article is erroneous. It was not directed at the lay audience.

  • June 9, 2023, 12:16 p.m.

    So, when developing a course you introduce concepts in a staged manner, not all at once. What you don't do is introduce erroneous matter at the start, then sometime later say 'forget all that, it was wrong, this is what is actually right'.
    What this means is that putting teaching material at an appropriate level for a beginner is absolutely no excuse for making it erroneous.

  • Members 204 posts
    June 9, 2023, 4:10 p.m.

    You might want to know the best RPM to be at to attain maximum torque. The driver who has learned that probably has more skill than the one that hasn't learned it.

    Not to get bogged down in analogies, because they ultimately fail. The point is that understanding the "inner workings" of a thing can be beneficial at being a better practitioner of that thing.

  • Members 599 posts
    June 10, 2023, 10:27 p.m.

    For those of us who know nothing about photography- please stand back from the camera...

  • Members 305 posts
    June 10, 2023, 11:17 p.m.

    ...just grab your smartphone, set auto ISO, and enjoy taking more pictures.
    Ignore scientists and nerds arguing over perfect photometric exposure for now.

    The exposure triangle gets you a long way.
    Far from flawless in a scientific sense, but mostly "good enough" for practical use.

    When learning about atoms you usually start with Rutherford and Bohr, not quantum atomic model first.

  • Members 976 posts
    June 11, 2023, 1:30 a.m.

    Not Thomson?

  • Members 599 posts
    June 11, 2023, 3:14 a.m.

    More explosive would be Dr. Otto Hahn, Dr. Lise Meitner and Dr. Fritz Strassman...

  • Members 305 posts
    June 11, 2023, 4:17 a.m.
  • Members 280 posts
    June 11, 2023, 9:40 a.m.

    A long way in which direction ?
    Don Cox