Forum update document for discussion

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It is a tricky word. I perceived them as 'reasonable' when they were posting their images, commenting etc. before and I'll gladly admit that some of that went out of the window at certain points in the discussion about moderation.

But I also think that almost everyone has a theme or sore point, where they can't handle being challenged. I certainly have those areas and I assume you might have as well. For the users mentioned (and many people in general from my perception) this seems to be the case for their moral belief system. Of course you have a right to challenge them on that as well and if they decide to leave because of it, I see it as their choice and not your fault.

I seem to recall though that you tried to caution others not to assume the worst when someone writes incoherently or doesn't spell things right, because it might be caused by some medical condition or a language barrier. So I'm asking myself why you can't show that restraint when someone voices their support for a stricter moderation policy (they wouldn't have any way of imposing it anyway) and just leave it at: "We won't do that! We already explained why." and maybe a link to a post where you and others of the team have explained your reasons in more detail. You probably assume that those people might have left in protest anyway, but I think it was at least in part their perception of being attacked by one of the owners of the site that drove them away, and not just their frustration about the lack of strict moderation. At least that's how I perceived those instances. I can't claim to know that's any closer to the truth than your perception.

As you can see by my quote above, I'm absolutely willing to give your approach and ideas a fair chance. But I'd really appreciate it, if you could also show some leniency towards people who never had a problem with the moderation style at dpreview and therefore assume it might work well elsewhere.

It wasn't my intention of characterising it as such... I'm sorry if I made it look that way! I actually don't see the current state here as 'no moderation', hence the quotes around it. But it was and seemingly still is perceived in that way by a number of people, many of which you already had a discussion with. Because of the fact that it was discussed several times already, I suggested - in a reply to @EdShapiro who brought up the topic of moderation here - that this probably wasn't the place for it.

I want a place where human beings, humble enough,
will be able to post "normal" shots that were difficult to conceive.

I don't want great shots,
there are too many of these around posted "for the show" >look I'm a grrreat photographer<

I don't need wizards of editing showing their deeds on a PC with fabulous results.

Or*** you can compose a picture or you cannot,

Or maybe you're not good enough with a camera and you need a PC support.
-> Legit questions arise, very often, in my brain <

A space for ...
Just human beings with eyes and a brain, and in in their hands
a camera films, DSLR any sensor dimension, ML, or a phone camera

( that's art - the rest is electronic painting )

That’s broad minded of you. In the film era, did you refuse to dodge, burn, intensify, tone, or spot?

Yes.

once and only once to make happy a friend
Some of my shots were burned green

( and won a price under another photographer's name )

PS: nothing against PRO and ART Photographers

A lot against people unable to bend to a normal level.
( they may be Plumbers or Doctors... I don't care )

What does that even mean? Bend to a 'NORMAL' level?

• When people start to lose you ... you are not anymore at a normal level

I have zero objections myself about how others act.

Some objection when whatever is shown has no story but only feathers' level

If you do a house, you may use meters or decimeters. Centimeters will do in some cases.
but millimeters and nanometers are there just there for show.
you can build a beautiful home not even once using nanometers.

That's the difference between a SHOT and a PICTURE

WE are going OT - I stop here.

My meaning and proposal
or at least what I intended ... to have a place where to discuss how a specific shot is done.
- >the other side of techs<

I will give you a sample ... a post I just discovered today:
the story of a shot where the shot is at the center of a story

Not the picture

www.nikoncafe.com/threads/when-life-slaps-hard.346367/unread

i totally get where your coming from. there's nothing worst than a highly edited portrait posted and then the photographer raves on how good the lighting equipment is. they cant really shoot an out of camera shot to save there life. and most keyboard photographers are the same. its why very few actually post any images to prove there critique worth on others images. but who really cares everyone enjoys a different level of enjoyment from the hobby.

Sorry, but nothing special there, and one could easily make up any story they wish. Another meth head maybe...?

Zero objection to your technique, or critique of your photographs?

I doubt that is why many talented photographers do not publish their best work online.

It is very easy to steal online photos and for the thief to make them look like they actually own the photos. Unless the theft ends up in a court then the theft is very unlikely to have been discovered if the thief is smart.

I'd agree with that and I'd take it a bit further. Discussion should be about the technique plus how the image is perceived. The technique is objective. What is perceived is subjective. Both are relevant. Any piece of art will be perceived differently by different people. The trick is to try to understand why it is perceived that way. Some of this gets down to things like leading lines and composition. Some comes down to the prior experience that every individual has triggered when they look at or hear something. Works that move us have usually pressed those triggers. Discussing them is absolutely valid. Sometimes the prior experience devalues a piece of art because we realize it is a copy of a previous concept. A person without that prior knowledge will have a different experience.

I haven't read the replies, but I would love to be in a community photographs, techniques, discussed, critiques are exchanged and gear is articulated to this idea. DPR is a good source for gear and related issues, finding advice for problems of gears and they have already a huge amount of content already for this purpose. I think this site will be more successful if photography is in focus.

OK. Go to the Home page of this site and check the Critiques section. Then try the Weekly C&C thread. Participants are invited to post an image and then receive critiques of that image from other participants. New players are welcomed. It's still developing but that's the kind of discussion you will find.

Two thumbs up!