• March 6, 2025, 12:38 p.m.

    Good morning/afternoon/evening all.

    In the background we have been planning some updates.

    This forum and the associated web pages have been all about "The Photo". So, what we want to do is to move the forums around so that we can concentrate on different aspects of "The photo". You have seen the start of this with the weekly threads. And that is the way we want to continue. We also want new members coming on board not to be overwhelmed by the number of forums we have and not no where to start.

    So, on the web site (which you can see a mock up of at webserve4-nas.synology.me/Dprlanding-dev2/), you will see that the weekly threads are prominent and the other links take you to the common places on the forum.

    The new forum will look something like dev2.dprevived.com. Much simpler. If you are wondering where the weekly threads are, each on has its own forum, but they are hidden away. You can always get access to them from the forum list, the new web site (test one is webserve4-nas.synology.me/Dprlanding-dev2/) or latest threads - we only hide them to (once again) make it look good for new members.

    So where are all the existing threads going? Have a look at the attached spreadsheet to give you some idea of what we have planned.

    As a separate exercise, Martin is testing out the move from version 0.34 of Misago (the underlying program for the forums) to 0.39.2 - the latest one. This will happen when it's ready, but once it's done, notifications will work well and we may also have signatures (not sure about that yet).

    So, have a look at dev2.dprevived.com (don't try and log in) and give me your feedback.
    Have a look at webserve4-nas.synology.me/Dprlanding-dev2/ and also give me your feedback.

    No dates for the migration yet - but I would like to get it done sometime this month. We still have a lot of work to do. so it may slip into April or May.

    And, of course, my thanks to the team of Arvo, Mike, Bryan and Paula for pushing to get this done.

    Alan

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  • Foundation 199 posts
    March 6, 2025, 1:32 p.m.

    Alan,

    As I'm sure you are aware, you can't please everyone in an endeavour like this...

    That being said, I prefer the simpler structure - PROVIDED the Threads view is retained, which looks to be the case

    The only suggestion I'd make is to move the "Welcome section" to the top

    Tim

  • March 6, 2025, 2:09 p.m.

    I thought about moving Welcome to the top. The issue is that if people create a new thread and don't put a forum name in (next to the thread name) or put an invalid one in, it defaults to the top most thread - which would then be "Welcome".

    If I can get that issue fixed, I would move Welcome to the top.

    Alan

  • March 6, 2025, 2:13 p.m.

    I suggest an announcement about how to start a thread. Important policy.

    If people do that, why not put their threads in the dumpster. Forum ettiquette demands better. 😁

    You should be able to put the welcome notice at the top. It is v. Important.

    David

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  • Members 1328 posts
    March 6, 2025, 10:06 p.m.

    It is a tough one.

    Putting their threads in the dumpster is not exactly a welcoming message.

    An unfortunate fact of society today is that many want instant gratification and don't want to have to read or learn how to do something. How to accommodate those people and still make it work?

    No matter what you do there will always be some that manage to post in the wrong area.

    My answer is to attempt to make things as clear and unambiguous as possible.

    This is in part why I think threaded view is imperative. An expandable / collapsible view allows one to see the active threads below a category. In that scenario, it could be made so one can't post to an upper level category - need to select a relevant sub thread first.

  • March 7, 2025, 7:25 a.m.

    One can't post to an upper level (read-only) category anyway - Misago by default presents first writable category.
    IMO it could be done this way:

    Welcome (top level catgeory, read-only)
    -- Forum guidelines (second-level, read-only)
    ---- Beginners misplaced posts (third-level, hidden from forum index, posts visible in threads view, can be tagged with some bright color)
    -- Introduce yourself (second-level)
    (next sections)

    If anyone posts accidentally into "misplaced posts" and readers notice that, then they can notify team and we can relocate post and explain that to newcomer.

  • March 7, 2025, 10:34 a.m.

    Yes, that seems to work. I've tested it out in dev2.dprevived.com

  • Members 1776 posts
    March 8, 2025, 9:20 p.m.

    I think everyone needs to see the bigger strategy here.
    We need new members. The changes being made are designed to support a recruitment plan that will take place in several stages.
    The new Landing/Web page
    webserve4-nas.synology.me/Dprlanding-dev2/
    is critical. It explains what we are on about that makes us different to other sites. It gets new arrivals rapidly to areas that might engage them. The weekly threads are part of the strategy. They ensure that people see plenty of fresh activity.
    The Forum Index page is fine for those of us familiar with The Photo. It's a mess for anyone new to the site- full of links to barely used threads. Try looking at the old Forum Index page through the eyes of a new arrival. On average, a visitor to a new site will make two clicks. If they don't get engaged by what they find, they leave, never to return.
    If a new arrival likes what they find and becomes a member, they will learn their way around the Forum Index page and, like everyone else, use Threads, when they sign in.
    We need current members to have a look at the new Landing/web page and what it is saying about this site.

  • March 8, 2025, 9:28 p.m.

    Mike,

    What you want is what we are going to do. Just be patient for a few days and you will see it vastly improved (thanks in no small part to your ideas).

    Alan

  • Members 1776 posts
    March 8, 2025, 9:37 p.m.

    Yes, I know that is what we are going to do. I wrote the above because I don't think the bigger picture is clear to current members in the initial announcements. I think everyone has to have some understanding of the bigger picture to grasp what the new structure is doing.

  • Members 636 posts
    March 9, 2025, 1:11 a.m.

    I like the idea of the prospective new landing page with the shortcuts to weekly image threads. Upon clicking through it appears then that it has its own forum as you describe. And it appears that at a higher level the image threads will be a category of image discussions. If I understand that correctly I think that will work for the Sunday Cat! It never felt to me that it quite belonged in another category, so I kept it where it has always lived, under Olympus. I would however like the name to simply be "Sunday Cat!" as a direct reference to its founding post from 2007. I also have a question about back linking. I always provide a link to the previous week's post at the start of each week. Will those links still work after a move?

  • Members 696 posts
    March 9, 2025, 1:16 a.m.

    Myself, I like the new look. However, I would have a "Galleries" link that would link to a galleries page which would have links to all photos that have been uploaded to the site. For example, there would be a link to "Photo of the Week Winners", a link to "Photo of the Week Entries", a link to "The Weekly Landscape" entries, "Today's Uploads", etc., where the photos on each category would be linked to the thread they were posted in. In addition, there should be a link member galleries. Would also be cool to have a link to "Random Assortment of Uploaded Photos" which would take you to a page of a random assortment of uploaded photos, where the user could choose the time interval of the photos (i.e., "Today", "This Week", "This Month", "This Year", "Since the Beginning").

    Of course, I realize that this is probably a bit of work, so, for sure, it can wait until threaded view is completed. 😉

  • March 9, 2025, 10:04 a.m.

    Yes, both things can be provided. We can call it "Sunday Cat!". And because the actual post links don't change, all back links should still work.

    Alan

  • March 9, 2025, 10:06 a.m.

    It is a LOT of work. We'll keep it in mind, but it won't happen any time soon.

    Alan

  • March 9, 2025, 11:31 a.m.

    I've done that on the production site. However, Sunday Cat! doesn't read well as the exclamation mark conficts with the "t". It reads better as "Sunday Cats!" - would you be OK if I changed it to that?

    Alan

  • March 9, 2025, 12:18 p.m.

    Why do we need !, ++, :)) or *** in titles? I find this confusing, as if there is something that the admins are trying to draw attention to.

    David