• Members 599 posts
    March 18, 2024, 7:39 p.m.

    How am I not surprised, but then again, I assumed you may have thought he got off lightly and should have been incarcerated for life, or even executed...pffft.
    This whole case is fraudulent against Trump and thankfully the majority of the public see it for what it truly is...political persecution.
    When folks call out the law for being an Ass, this would be another befitting example of it.
    The Democrats have lost sight of their political moral compass and are dragging the country into ruination in order to stay in power indefinitely. Lawfare and State weaponization is not the way to do it.

  • March 18, 2024, 7:45 p.m.

    One time I was running a programming practical class. One of the students came up to me and said 'my computer isn't working'. I asked him to show me what was happening. Each time he ran his program it exited with an error message. I asked him to show me the program. It was something of a revelation to him that the problem might be his program. Anyway, I found the offending line quite quickly, he was dividing by zero.
    I said 'there's your problem'.
    He looked at it and said 'There's nothing wrong'.
    I said look harder, he looked blankly, so I asked him what would be the value of the two variables. He correctly worked out that the divisor would be zero, but still couldn't see the problem.
    'What do you get when you divide a number by zero?' I asked. Again, that blank look.
    I asked him what you got when you divided 1 by 1. He knew that. Divided by 0.5. He got that. He followed it down to 0.01 gives 100. I hoped he was seeing the pattern, but I took no chances.
    "See, the smaller that you divide the number by, the bigger the result", I said, "so what happens when you divide a number by zero?"
    He looked completely blank, the suddenly a look of revelation came over his face. I thought he had got it.
    He took his calculator out of his bag and entered "1÷0=", looked at the result, and said to me with a look of triumph on his face "e".

  • March 18, 2024, 9:12 p.m.

    Irrelevant. Both valuers were valuing market value. They were given different information which materially affected the valuation. The tax man valued it on the basis of deed restrictions preventing its use for anything but a private club, the bank valuers that it was free of such restrictions and could be used for anything.

    It is explained in the ruling starting page 81.

    So, if you see a disclaimer in the fine print you assume that you're being defrauded? Anyhow, thankfully the court found that the 'worthless clause' is worthless as a defence, and this ruling was upheld on appeal - as it should have been. Adding 'I might be telling you lies' doesn't make one immune from being charged with fraud. Imagine how that would work if generalised. If you told someone you might shoot him it would be his responsibility to get out of the way and when you actually did shoot him you couldn't be charged with murder. If you told someone you might burgle his house it would be his responsibility to prevent you doing so and if he did burgle him you'd get off scot free. It's a nonsense. And my analogy is spot on. Sorry about that. It just exposes the double standard.

    Trump's running on prosecuting immigrants (among other things). Does that mean that were he elected any prosecutions of immigrants would be invalid? I'm not sure that I agree with election of partisan attorneys general, but that's what happens in the US. No point complaining about it. Plus, she's only doing the job she's required to do in NT Executive Law § 63(12) (fully explained starting pp2 of the ruling).

  • March 18, 2024, 9:34 p.m.

    Clearly not, because this was a civil case and did not allow for either of those penalties. I quite like the idea of the law as it stands being applied as it stands. It would definitely be a bad idea if execution was added to the list of remedies in a civil case.

    I don't think so. The poll I could find gave 50% think he's guilty, 24% think he's not and 25% don't know. That accords pretty well with the results for the other cases researched by YouGov, which is one of the more neutral and reliable polling organisations. The problem is that as you might expect, Democrats overwhelmingly think he's guilty, Republicans overall think he's innocent, but independents tend to guilty - enough to give 'guilty' the plurality.

    Your opinion, but the case has followed the law, so far as I can see.

    You said earlier that politicians who commit crimes should only be prosecuted depending on political affiliation. Given this opinion, I would guess that means that you think they shouldn't be prosecuted if they are Republican. Doesn't seem to be a sustainable position to me. To my mind the question is has Trump committed crimes or not - and the purpose of the justice system is to determine whether someone has committed crimes of which they are accused. In the American justice system it's not possible just to undertake a political prosecution - a grand jury has to be convince that there is a case to answer first. The main mistake that the Justice Department has made is foot dragging. They were scared enough of the narrative that you're giving that they delayed the best part of two years before properly investigated. Let's be clear. Fraud should be and is a crime and fraudsters should be prosecuted. Trying to change the results of an election (apart from due process) should be and is a crime in a democracy, and people that do it should be prosecuted. In the other NY case, Trump is accused of the same crime for which his accomplice has already been tried, found guilty and sent to gaol.The concept behid law is quite simple:
    1. There is a set of laws.
    2. To convict a person of breaking a law the prosecution has to present evidence that they broke the law.
    3. If the evidence presented does not prove that they broke the law they are found innocent.
    Of course, nothing is perfect and miscarriages of justice do happen - but since in these cases we have not got to stage 3 we cannot say whether or not that might have happened.

  • Members 676 posts
    March 18, 2024, 10:10 p.m.

    I call BS -- my daughter never took one of your classes. 😁

  • March 18, 2024, 10:14 p.m.

    LOL.
    The thing about it, it was a scientific calculator, so he had e right there on the keyboard, beside π

  • March 18, 2024, 10:18 p.m.

    How do you know if they are illegal if you don't prosecute them?

  • Members 599 posts
    March 19, 2024, 6:05 p.m.

    This is nothing short of a political witch hunt and abuse of the legal system. It is pretty evident that there is a two tier system of justice. This best sums up what is happening:
    twitter.com/AlinaHabba/status/1758590976786858008

  • March 19, 2024, 6:48 p.m.

    You keep on saying, you don't show why.

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    March 19, 2024, 8:37 p.m.

    Do your own research, Bob. 😆

    By the way: www.rawstory.com/trump-carroll-rape/

  • Members 599 posts
    March 20, 2024, 5:15 p.m.

    You and I are not in the court room, nor are we lawyers. The court documents don't tell the whole story, especially when it is a partisan biased scenario.
    Lawyer Alina Habbas's succinct statement accurately sums up this atrocity. It reflects my opinion before she even announced it. It is despicable [but not surprising] that this kind of lawfare and deep state weaponisation is taking place. It is even more disgusting when the lamestream mediaturds are democratic propagandists supporting this nonsense. True journalism is dead. Can you say Banana Republic...?

  • Members 676 posts
    March 20, 2024, 10:06 p.m.

    What I can say with the most certainty is that you're posts are long on opinion and short on facts. To quote Carl Sandburg:

    “If the facts are against you, argue the law. If the law is against you, argue the facts. If the law and the facts are against you, pound the table and yell like hell.”

    Guess which side of the table you're on based on your posts?

  • Members 599 posts
    March 21, 2024, 6:05 p.m.

    The lawyers are very competent - maybe your sources are not, but we all know how the fake news reports on things.
    To quote:
    Engoron earned the gratitude of one Trump lawyer who has insisted the lack of a jury was not due to an oversight.

    "I would like to say thank you, your honor," said attorney Alina Habba, before turning to reporters in the gallery. "Press, did you hear that? I didn't forget to check the box."
    www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-trial-no-jury-fraud-new-york-judge-arthur-engoron/

  • Members 676 posts
    March 21, 2024, 9:49 p.m.

    I have no quarrel with what the link says, but I just want to confirm that you count CBS News as real news, not fake. Or, does it depend on whether or not what they report coincides with your beliefs?

  • Members 599 posts
    March 22, 2024, 5:53 p.m.

    You're really looking for a time wasting rabbit hole. I just don't want to waste my time in it...

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    March 23, 2024, 12:34 a.m.
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    March 23, 2024, 2:34 a.m.

    After (1983), and it goes without saying that he doesn't include Fox "News", which is, of course, not like the liberal media, but "fair and balanced". And wouldn't you know it? The crooked courts have "unjustly" gone after Fox "News" and nailed them in the Dominion Lawsuit. The US has gone full communist, I'm sorry to say, and it is that, and only that, which has led to the ruin of this country.

    😁😆😂

  • Members 86 posts
    March 23, 2024, 8:45 a.m.

    GIven that we know that the media is biased, ("You Provide The Prose Poems; I’ll Provide The War.") you would think that we would treat all of what they print with a pinch of salt and not go round treating it as though it were absolute truth. But as Nixon said, "It was the other guy." 😋

  • Members 599 posts
    March 23, 2024, 4:54 p.m.

    Biden has his diaper around his ankles but the mediaturds are protecting him. You guys must love the stench!

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    March 23, 2024, 9:44 p.m.

    For the life of me, I can't wrap my mind around how people think statements like that make them come out on top. It's like headbutting someone's fist and thinking you're a fighter.

    That's the thing -- yes, much of the mainstream media has moved from at least an honest attempt at truth towards "entertainment", and the courts have backed this move, as was famously ruled in court when Fox "News" was sued:

    www.npr.org/2020/09/29/917747123/you-literally-cant-believe-the-facts-tucker-carlson-tells-you-so-say-fox-s-lawye

    Fox News host Tucker Carlson "is not 'stating actual facts' about the topics he discusses and is instead engaging in 'exaggeration' and 'non-literal commentary,' " U.S. District Judge Mary Kay Vyskocil wrote.

    But here's the thing -- those who scream "fake news" the loudest disseminate fake news the most, and, as with the first post I commented on in this reply, seem to think that "I know you are but what am I?" makes for a mic-drop moment.

    Regardless, we can all be civil, no matter what we believe is real or fake, right?

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