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My Little History of DSLR/ML

Maoby
April 24, 2023
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    Maoby
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    Jan. 25, 2025, 3:13 a.m. Jan. 25, 2025, 3:13 a.m.
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    Sony Alpha 100 (2006) / Sony Alpha 7 (2013)

    www.flickr.com/photos/maoby/albums/72177720323290081/

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    Sony Alpha 100 (2006) / Sony Alpha 7 (2013)
    by Marc Aubry, sur Flickr

    Comparison between the first digital SLR and the first ML FF from Sony.
    Two cameras that paved the way for the success of Sony

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    Maoby
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    Jan. 25, 2025, 3:39 p.m. Jan. 25, 2025, 3:39 p.m.
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    Two examples

    100 ISO

    Sony Alpha 100 (2006) 100% / Sony Alpha 7 (2013) 100%

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    Sony Alpha 100 (2006) 100% / Sony Alpha 7 (2013) 100%
    by Marc Aubry, sur Flickr

    1600 ISO

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    Sony Alpha 100 (1600 ISO) 100% / Sony Alpha 7 (1600 ISO) 100%
    by Marc Aubry, sur Flickrr

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    Maoby
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    March 26, 2025, 3:47 p.m. March 26, 2025, 3:47 p.m.
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    Nikon D200 (2005) / Nikon D3s (2009)

    www.flickr.com/photos/maoby/albums/72177720324328071/

    I had fun making a comparison with my old D3s and my very old D200 ๐Ÿ˜

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    Nikon D200 (800 ISO) 100% / Nikon D3s (800 ISO) 100%
    by Marc Aubry, sur Flickr

    Nikon D200 (2005)
    10.2 MP ( 3872 x 2592 ) APS-C CCD sensor (23.6 x 15.8 mm)
    Price: $1,700.00 US
    Photos taken with the nikkor AF 50mm f/1.8 D
    (1.5x multiplier)
    100-1600 (3200) ISO


    Nikon D3S (2009)
    12.1 MP ( 4256 x 2832 ) FF CMOS sensor
    Price: $5,200.00 US
    Photos taken with the nikkor AF 85mm f/1.8
    and the nikkor AF-S 85mm f/1.8 G
    (multiplication factor 1.0)
    200-12800 (100-102400) H3 ISO

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    Nikon D200 (2005) 100% / Nikon D3s (2009) 100%
    by Marc Aubry, sur Flickr

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    Nikon D200 (3200 ISO) 100% / Nikon D3s (3200 ISO) 100%
    by Marc Aubry, sur Flickr

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    barondla
    Members 344 posts
    March 26, 2025, 5:40 p.m. March 26, 2025, 5:40 p.m.
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    @Maoby has written:

    iPhone 4 (2010) / Pentax 645D (2010)

    www.flickr.com/photos/maoby/albums/72177720321157234/

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    iPhone 4 (2010) / Pentax 645D (2010)
    by Marc Aubry, sur Flickr

    iPhone 4 (2010)
    5 MP sensor (2592x1936)
    1/3.2" 4.54mm x 3.42mm
    3.85mm f/2.8 camera
    (with 7.6x multiplication factor) = 29.26mm
    80 ISO
    my first personal iPhone

        ________________
    

    Pentax 645D (2010)
    40 MP MF sensor (7264 x 5440 )
    The first Pentax MF Digital
    Price: $9,400.00 US
    Photos taken with the Pentax-D FA 645 55mm f/2.8
    (multiplication factor of 0.8 )
    200-1000 (100-1600) ISO

    Between the iPhone 4 (2010) and the Pentax 645D (2010)
    www.flickr.com/photos/maoby/albums/72177720321157234/
    Your remarks are welcome !

    Love the comparison. CCD sensor cameras have beautiful color. That big sensor just makes it even better. I shoot a Pentax 645Z, a much improved camera, but sometimes I crave a 645D. Might make it happen someday.
    Thanks for the history lessons,
    barondla

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    barondla
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    March 26, 2025, 5:47 p.m. March 26, 2025, 5:47 p.m.
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    Fine comparison. Borrowed the A100 from work. Was surprised at the noise in the photos. At the time my camera was the Pentax ist* DS. It's lowest ISO was 200. The Sony grain was much more prominent and un-film like. Many hated Sony menus, but I found them fairly easy.
    Thanks for sharing,
    barondla

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    Maoby
    Members 1604 posts
    March 27, 2025, 2:03 p.m. March 27, 2025, 2:03 p.m.
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    Thank you very much for your feedback, it is appreciated. ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

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    Maoby
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    May 15, 2025, 4:25 p.m. May 15, 2025, 4:25 p.m.
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    Pentax 645D

    To mark the 15th anniversary of one of the first affordable digital MF, the fabulous Pentax 645D (2010-2025)

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    Pentax 645D (2010)
    by Marc Aubry, sur Flickr

    I am the proud owner of a beautiful Pentax 645D
    The main reason for the interest in this MF is its 40MP Kodak CCD sensor, which I particularly like.
    In 2010, 40 MP was particularly impressive! Today, it has almost become the norm, or at least the average.
    I wanted to compare this famous 645D with several cameras in my collection, here are the results.
    I hope one of them will interest you.

    The Pentax

    The Golden Age of Pentax 2010-2012

    With the arrival of Q, MF and ML formats

    Pentax 645D (2010) / Pentax K-5 (2010)
    www.flickr.com/photos/maoby/albums/72157719507229848
    Pentax 2010

    Pentax 645D (2010) / Pentax Q (2011)
    www.flickr.com/photos/maoby/albums/72157716800757806
    Pentax Extreme

    Pentax 645D (2010) / Pentax K-01 (2012)
    www.flickr.com/photos/maoby/albums/72157717589728133
    Pentax / Pentax

    Pentax 645D and Nikon

    Nikon D40 (2006) / Pentax 645D (2010)
    www.flickr.com/photos/maoby/albums/72157719559439557
    APS-C / MF (CCD)

    Nikon D3s (2009) / Pentax 645D (2010)
    www.flickr.com/photos/maoby/albums/72157716852325631
    FF/MF 2009-2010

    Pentax 645D (2010) / Nikon D600 (2012)
    www.flickr.com/photos/maoby/albums/72157716717060401
    MF 40 MP / FF 24 MP

    Pentax 645D (2010) / Nikon D810 (2014)
    www.flickr.com/photos/maoby/albums/72157720176320620
    40/36 MP

    Pentax 645D (2010) / Nikon 1 J5 (2015)
    www.flickr.com/photos/maoby/albums/72157719047163289
    CX / MF

    Pentax 645D (2010) / Nikon D500 (2016)
    www.flickr.com/photos/maoby/albums/72157716705417432
    20 MP / 40 MP

    Pentax 645D and Canon

    Canon EOS-1D (2001) / Pentax 645D (2010)
    www.flickr.com/photos/maoby/albums/72177720308541118
    4/40 CCD sensor

    Canon EOS-5D (2005) / Pentax 645D (2010)
    www.flickr.com/photos/maoby/albums/72157716937306083
    FF 12 MP / MF 40 MP

    Pentax 645D and Olympus

    Olympus E-10 (2000) / Pentax 645D (2010)
    www.flickr.com/photos/maoby/albums/72157717048751803
    4 MP / 40 MP

    Olympus E-1 (2003) / Pentax 645D (2010)
    www.flickr.com/photos/maoby/albums/72157718212739438
    4/3 MF

    Olympus E-P1 (2009) / Pentax 645D (2010)
    www.flickr.com/photos/maoby/albums/72157718069044231
    ยต4/3 / MF

    Pentax 645D (2010) / Olympus OM-D E-M1 MkII (2016)
    www.flickr.com/photos/maoby/albums/72157719989890974
    20-40-50 MP

    Pentax 645D and Fujifilm

    Pentax 645D (2010) / Fujifilm X-Pro1 (2012)
    www.flickr.com/photos/maoby/albums/72157719178290415
    Collection Covid

    Pentax 645D (2010) / Fujifilm X-T5 (2022)
    www.flickr.com/photos/maoby/albums/72177720304341711
    40 MP !!

    Pentax 645D 120mm f/4 Macro / Fujifilm X-T5 Laowa 65mm f/2.8 Macro
    www.flickr.com/photos/maoby/albums/72177720317842776/
    Macro Lens

    Pentax 645D and Kodak

    Kodak DCS 200 (1992) / Pentax 645D (2010)
    www.flickr.com/photos/maoby/albums/72177720298431427
    Kodak / Pentax 18 years apart

    Kodak DCS 460 (1995) / Pentax 645D (2010)
    www.flickr.com/photos/maoby/albums/72177720302943643
    15 years Kodak CCD

    Kodak DCS Pro 14n (2003) / Pentax 645D (2010)
    www.flickr.com/photos/maoby/albums/72157720071808920
    BIG

    Pentax 645D and others

    Minolta RD-3000 (1999) / Pentax 645D (2010)
    www.flickr.com/photos/maoby/albums/72177720300239873
    Macro Lenses

    Pentax 645D (2010) / Sigma sd Quattro H (2016-17)
    www.flickr.com/photos/maoby/albums/72157717212477666
    25 MP / 40 MP

    iPhone 4 (2010) / Pentax 645D (2010)
    www.flickr.com/photos/maoby/albums/72177720321157234/
    2010

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    AlanSh
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    May 15, 2025, 8:46 p.m. May 15, 2025, 8:46 p.m.
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    I looked at the Pentax vs X-T5. The quality of the X-T5 is, to me, better. But it will depend on the lens and the JPG interpretation that each camera has (here I am, stating the obvious).

    So, how do you compare cameras and not photo sub-systems?

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    Maoby
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    May 16, 2025, 3:47 p.m. May 16, 2025, 3:47 p.m.
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    Can you elaborate further? ๐Ÿค”

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    AlanSh
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    May 16, 2025, 3:57 p.m. May 16, 2025, 3:57 p.m.
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    @Maoby has written:

    Can you elaborate further? ๐Ÿค”

    OK - image quality depends on a few things. One is the sensor, another is the lens and a third is how the firmware interprets the raw image to produce a JPG. To compare 2 different cameras (especially from different makes), you need to eliminate as many differences as possible. So, can they use the same lens? No? Then are there ones that are as similar as possible. Do they use the same sensor (it's amazing now many do)? Then what you are left with is how the firmware works.

    Looking at the comparisons between the Pentax & Fuji, they are cameras from different eras, with different everything. So, what we are comparing is how much things have got better since the Pentax came out (or not). It's not really a comparison between two similar cameras, even though they both have the same sized sensor.

    Does that make sense?

    Alan

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    ArvoJ
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    May 16, 2025, 5:07 p.m. May 16, 2025, 5:07 p.m.
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    I looked at the Pentax vs X-T5. The quality of the X-T5 is, to me, better.

    For me they are quite equal, both have some properties better than other.

    At first glance X-T5 images may look more sharp and contrasty, but looking in detail, Fuji images are just oversharpened; also for some images color difference makes one or other image look more natural. Also lens DOF is different; probabaly AA filter is different too (in old times AA filters were stronger) - this makes older cameras images a bit softer.

    It would make some sense to reprocess images to look similar (colors, contrast, sharpness) - but there are more sites on the net which do just that; Marc's comparisons are interesting even without any forced equalization :)

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    Maoby
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    May 16, 2025, 9:59 p.m. May 16, 2025, 9:59 p.m.
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    @AlanSh has written:
    @Maoby has written:

    Can you elaborate further? ๐Ÿค”

    Does that make sense?

    Alan

    Of course yes!

    To be picky I would say that the quality of an image depends on the photographer himself, of the photographic subject and particularly of the quality of the light (the atmosphere of the moment). Oddly enough, equipment is secondary to me.
    And I realize that a lot of people seem to have a lot of difficulty understanding, given the discussions on the forums in general.

    There are probably several hundred ways to make a comparison.
    The main thing for me is the evolution of digital technology over time, and to see the differences between brands at a specific time, or the behavior of different sensor formats from 1 inch to MF. etc.
    To visually see whether or not there has been a noticeable change over time.

    These are comparisons that I make above all to satisfy my curiosity, and I tell myself that I must not be the only one with an interest in digital history. (but sometimes I doubt it)
    But if it can interest one person in a thousand, that's already good for me.
    I'm looking more for the quality of internet users than the quantity.

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    Dycam 1 (1991) / Kodak DCS 100 (1991)
    by Marc Aubry, sur Flickr

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    Kodak DCS 100 (1991) 100% / Pentax 645D 100%
    by Marc Aubry, sur Flickr

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    Dycam 1 (1991) 100% / Pentax 645D 100%
    by Marc Aubry, sur Flickr

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