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My Little History of DSLR/ML

Maoby
April 24, 2023
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    Maoby
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    April 29, 2023, 11:27 p.m. April 29, 2023, 11:27 p.m.
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    2000

    Kodak DCS 620X (2000)
    2 MP sensor (1728x1152)
    with a multiplication factor of 1.6x
    Price: $10,500.00 USD
    400-4000 (6400) ISO

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    Kodak DCS 620X (2000)
    by Marc Aubry, sur Flickr

    Almost double the price than the Nikon D1
    The price of Kodak DCS become much less attractive!
    Despite the superb Nikon F5 which will serve as the basis for the DCS 6xx and DCS 7xx

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    Kodak DCS 620X (2000)
    by Marc Aubry, sur Flickr

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    N°01 Kodak DCS 620x (2000)
    by Marc Aubry, sur Flickr

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    N°12 Kodak DCS 620x (2000)
    by Marc Aubry, sur Flickr

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    Maoby
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    April 30, 2023, 1:53 a.m. April 30, 2023, 1:53 a.m.
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    Kodak-Nikon Pro 2000

    I have here a comparison between the Kodak DCS 620x (2000) and the star of the hour the Nikon D1 (1999-2000)

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    Kodak DCS 620x (2000) / Nikon D1 (1999-2000)
    by Marc Aubry, sur Flickr

    Kodak DCS 620X
    2MP sensor (1728x1152)
    Price: $10,500.00
    Photos taken with the AF 50mm f/1.8 D
    (with a multiplication factor of 1.6)

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    Nikon D1
    2.74 megapixel sensor (2012x1324)
    Nikon's first DSLR!
    Price: $5,600
    Photos taken with the 50mm f/1.8
    (with a multiplication factor of 1.5)

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    Kodak DCS 620x (2000) / Nikon D1 (1999-2000) 100%
    by Marc Aubry, sur Flickr

    live.staticflickr.com/4201/34633249640_d6aeafeb0c_o.jpg
    Kodak DCS 620x (2000) / Nikon D1 (1999-2000) 100%
    by Marc Aubry, sur Flickr

    If you want to see the whole comparison, it's HERE...

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    JimKasson
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    April 30, 2023, 2:15 a.m. April 30, 2023, 2:15 a.m.
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    @Maoby has written:

    Kodak DCS100 (1991)
    The very first DSLR!
    With a 1.3 MP sensor (1280x1024)
    Price between: $20,000 and $30,000 USD
    (with a multiplication factor of 1.8)

    And the first DSLR I used. On extended loan from EK Research. The shoulder slung disk felt like the battery pack for a portable strobe.

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    JimKasson
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    April 30, 2023, 2:21 a.m. April 30, 2023, 2:21 a.m.
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    @Maoby has written:

    The Kodak DCS 460 (1995) The Rolls-Royce of digital cameras of the time
    The first 6 MP sensor (3060 x 2036) and a magnification ratio of x1.3 (APS-H)
    For an exorbitant price of $36,000 USD

    Don't know about the exorbitant part. The EK folks I knew at the time said they didn't make any money off that camera.

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    StanDisbrow
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    April 30, 2023, 2:25 a.m. April 30, 2023, 2:25 a.m.
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    Hi,

    The D1 was done after ISO 800 and even that had more noise than the 620x at 6400. I had that pairing along with the 660c at the same time. Later, I had the D1H and 720x and 760c all three noticable improvements over their earlier counterparts.

    I still have the D1H and 760c here. Not that they get used much these days. It's the Df and Kodak CCD Pentax 645D that get used.

    Stan

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    JimKasson
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    April 30, 2023, 2:28 a.m. April 30, 2023, 2:28 a.m.
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    Then there's Mike Collette and Dicomed/Betterlight.

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    Maoby
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    April 30, 2023, 3:29 a.m. April 30, 2023, 3:29 a.m.
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    @JimKasson has written:
    @Maoby has written:

    The Kodak DCS 460 (1995) The Rolls-Royce of digital cameras of the time
    The first 6 MP sensor (3060 x 2036) and a magnification ratio of x1.3 (APS-H)
    For an exorbitant price of $36,000 USD

    Don't know about the exorbitant part. The EK folks I knew at the time said they didn't make any money off that camera.

    Yes, I've read several times that Kodak won't make money from its DCS cameras.
    Surely too artisanal manufacture.

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    Maoby
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    April 30, 2023, 3:30 a.m. April 30, 2023, 3:30 a.m.
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    @StanDisbrow has written:

    The D1 was done after ISO 800 and even that had more noise than the 620x at 6400. I had that pairing along with the 660c at the same time. Later, I had the D1H and 720x and 760c all three noticable improvements over their earlier counterparts.

    We can see here, a huge advantage of the DCS 720x over the DCS 620x at ISO 6400

    live.staticflickr.com/7844/46220875595_5336ed5cfa_o.jpg
    Kodak DCS 620x (6400 ISO) / DCS 720x (6400 ISO) 100%
    by Marc Aubry, sur Flickr

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    Maoby
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    April 30, 2023, 11:10 a.m. April 30, 2023, 11:10 a.m.
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    Small parenthesis

    I am convinced that many of you are unfamiliar with this small reflex-like compact.

    I named, the Pentax EI-2000

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    Pentax EI-2000 (2000)
    by Marc Aubry, sur Flickr

    Pentax EI-2000 (2000)
    With a 2.24 MP sensor (1600x1280)
    $900.00 USD

    A collaboration with Hewlett Packard

    HP PhotoSmart C912 (2000)

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    HP PhotoSmart C912 (2000)
    by Marc Aubry, sur Flickr

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    HP PhotoSmart C912 (2000) / Pentax EI-2000 (2000)
    by Marc Aubry, sur Flickr

    End of parenthesis 😎

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    Maoby
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    April 30, 2023, 1:31 p.m. April 30, 2023, 1:31 p.m.
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    Fujifilm FinePix S1 (2000)

    After the adventure of the six Fujix DS… with Nikon from 1994 to 1998
    Fujifilm is trying the adventure alone this time, using the Nikon F60/N60 body for its FinePix S1
    With its brand new sensor (The SuperCCD) Fuji was directly in competition with the Canon D30 and its CMOS

    The Fuji S1 Pro with its SuperCCD
    A 3.2-megapixel sensor which after interpolation generates an image of 6.13 megapixels (3040 x2016)
    $3,500 USD

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    Fujifilm FinePix S1 (2000)
    by Marc Aubry, sur Flickr

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    Fujifilm FinePix S1
    by Marc Aubry, sur Flickr

    Prime FinePix Pro
    3,200,000 pixels (3040x2016) with interpolation
    Storage: SmartMedia & CompactFlash Type l, ll
    $3,500.00USD

    I love the sound of the FinePix Pro when shooting you can still hear the sound of the motor spinning the film. :)

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    Cool
    by Marc Aubry, sur Flickr

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    Stop to Start
    by Marc Aubry, sur Flickr

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    N°12 Fujifilm FinePix S1 (2000)
    by Marc Aubry, sur Flickr

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    MarlinRoberts
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    April 30, 2023, 2:48 p.m. April 30, 2023, 2:48 p.m.
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    Thank you so much for taking the time to share all of these. I enjoyed the journey very much!

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    justTony
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    April 30, 2023, 3:06 p.m. April 30, 2023, 3:06 p.m.
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    @Maoby has written:

    The Fujix DS-505 and DS-515 (1994)

    Fujix DS-505 1.28MP (1280x1000)
    storage: PCMCIA II
    $15,000.00 USD

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    Fujix DS-505 (1994)
    by Marc Aubry, sur Flickr

    Fujix DS-515 1.28MP (1280x1000)
    $18,000.00 USD

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    Fujix DS-515 (1994)
    by Marc Aubry, sur Flickr

    The first professional cameras. manufactured from A to Z for Digital
    A collaboration between Fujifilm and Nikon between 1994-1998
    Marketed simultaneously by Fuji (Fujix DS…) and Nikon E…

    1994
    Fujix DS-505 and Nikon E2 $15,000 USD
    Fujix DS-515 and Nikon E2S $18,000 USD

    1996
    Fujix DS-505A and Nikon E2N $12,000 USD
    Fujix DS-515A and Nikon E2N $18,000 USD

    1998
    Fujix DS-560 and Nikon E3 $7,000 USD
    Fujix DS-565 and Nikon E3S $8,500 USD

    For a grand total of twelve cameras
    Six by Fujifilm and six by Nikon

    Thanks for this thread.

    I’m having trouble squaring those prices with my experience. The E2 was the first digital camera that “I” purchased; it was the one I selected from Keeble and Schuchat for my Manufacturing Engineering department at HP. It was a thrill to have a reason to shop at the “pro” level store location across the street from where I bought my stuff. The purchase order was $14K USD and included 14mm and 105mm Micro Nikkors.

    The pixellation in that camera is bizarre: 1x2 rectangles in a subway tile offset pattern, an attempt to mitigate aliasing. Still that was miles ahead of the Apple Quicktake that a colleague was struggling along with. The E2’s image quality barely met my criteria for communicating part defects to vendors but the system did pay for itself in 1/3 the time that my manager stipulated, calculated in the form of reduced production cycle times, thanks to the vastly improved process documents.

    An internal relay lens made the 1x crop factor possible (a 50mm Micro Nikkor if I recall correctly?). There was a mirror that folded the optical path downward that reminded me of the form factors of the Speed Magny Polaroid backs for the Nikon F and F2.

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    Maoby
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    April 30, 2023, 3:39 p.m. April 30, 2023, 3:39 p.m.
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    @MarlinRoberts has written:

    Thank you so much for taking the time to share all of these. I enjoyed the journey very much!

    Thank you it's appreciated 👍🏻
    And the journey is not over 😎

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    Maoby
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    April 30, 2023, 3:43 p.m. April 30, 2023, 3:43 p.m.
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    @justTony has written:

    I’m having trouble squaring those prices with my experience. The E2 was the first digital camera that “I” purchased; it was the one I selected from Keeble and Schuchat for my Manufacturing Engineering department at HP. It was a thrill to have a reason to shop at the “pro” level store location across the street from where I bought my stuff. The purchase order was $14K USD and included 14mm and 105mm Micro Nikkors.

    Let's not forget that at that time, the prices asked for when they came out, and when stocks were sold, "between six months and a year later", had nothing to do with it. At the beginning of digital, many camera sellers get stuck with unsellable merchandise after a year.

    Just look at the price of the E3 in 1998 of $7,000 whereas the price of the E2 in 1994 was $15,000
    No one wanted to spend over $2,000 on an E2 four years later.

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    Canon EOS D30 (2000)

    The Canon EOS D30 with its 3 MP CMOS (2160x1440)
    Canon's first digital EOS!
    $3,500.00 USD

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    Canon EOS D30 (2000)
    by Marc Aubry, sur Flickr

    Canon's replica (facing the Nikon D1) came a year later with the D30
    A much more modest body than the Nikon D1s
    With a CMOS sensor (Complementary Metal Oxide Semiconductor)
    which allowed Canon to minimize the manufacturing costs of a large CCD sensor

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    Canon EOS D30
    by Marc Aubry, sur Flickr

    A small camera very endearing and pleasant to use with a more than reasonable size.

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    Parkinson ... Canon EOS D30 (2000)
    by Marc Aubry, sur Flickr

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    Aerial surveillance
    by Marc Aubry, sur Flickr

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    N°10 Canon EOS D30
    by Marc Aubry, sur Flickr

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    N°16 Canon EOS D30
    by Marc Aubry, sur Flickr

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    Maoby
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    April 30, 2023, 7:21 p.m. April 30, 2023, 7:21 p.m.
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    The Four Tenors of 1999-2000 😁

    Canon D30/ Minolta RD-3000/ FinePix S1/ Nikon D1

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    Canon D30/ Minolta RD-3000/ FinePix S1/ Nikon D1
    by Marc Aubry, sur Flickr

    Canon EOS D30 (2000) 3 MP $3,500.00 USD
    Minolta RD-3000 (1999) 2.7 MP $3,400.00 USD
    Fujifilm FinePix S1 (2000) 3.4 MP $3,500.00 USD
    Digital SLR D1 (99-2000) 2.7 MP $5,600.00 USD

    The turn of the century was a great time for photographers who preferred DSLRs to compacts
    Affordable prices hover around $3,500 except for the Nikon. Contrary to the prices we were accustomed to seeing with DSLRs from 1991-1998 of $10,000 to $30,000 USD

    The big question in the year 2000 is, buy or wait!

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    StanDisbrow
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    April 30, 2023, 7:58 p.m. April 30, 2023, 7:58 p.m.
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    Hi,

    I bought. A D1. After trying to not to. Mainly because that price tag was equal to what I'd already spent on an E2, a Kodak 460, and an E3s (which I had hoped was enough of an improvement over the E2 - and it wasn't).

    And then I discovered I needed Nikon's raw processing program and a new PC to run it to boot.

    Stan

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    Maoby
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    April 30, 2023, 10:38 p.m. April 30, 2023, 10:38 p.m.
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    Olympus E-10 (2000)

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    Olympus E-10 (2000)
    by Marc Aubry, sur Flickr

    Olympus' first DSLR
    2/3” CCD sensor with 3,900,000 pixels (2240x1680)
    Storage: SmartMedia & Compactflash
    Objectif 9-36mm (35-140mm)
    (facteur de multiplication de 3.89)
    $1,950.00 USD

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    Olympus E-10
    by Marc Aubry, sur Flickr

    It was when the famous Canon EOS-300D was released in 2003 and the price drop that followed
    That I was able to buy the Olympus E-10 for almost peanuts 😎

    Personally, I really like her look! 👍🏻

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    Olympus E-10 (2000)
    by Marc Aubry, sur Flickr

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    I'm watching you.
    by Marc Aubry, sur Flickr

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    Nice legs
    by Marc Aubry, sur Flickr

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    B&W
    by Marc Aubry, sur Flickr

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