I got in a lot of shit on DPReview for linking to a podcast by Roger Cicala, founder of Lens Rentals. He had pointed out the cheap motors Nikon was using. I got in more shit for pointing out where he kinda dismissed Nikon's ML offerings.
Not sure if I got a temporary ban for that or not, but it was information DPReview didn't want put out there.
Some folk are understandingly holding out for a Z6III, especially now it emerges that the Z8 is going larger to something akin to a D850 in size and weight, with a £4000 plus price tag.
When the Z6III finally emerges it’s unlikely to have a stacked sensor and at best it’ll catch up with the Sony A7iv.
In the meantime, you can buy a lightly used A9 with a 24mp stacked sensor from a reputable dealer like MPB with a warranty for around £1500.
I don’t like the ergonomics of that body, which is why I went with the A9II. These have ergonomics and build equal to the Z6II and are available used for around £2200.
You’ll never get a Stacked sensor from Nikon at these price points ……
I do miss the higher resolution Z7 for some work. That’s why I’ve just purchased a used A7Riv with 61mp for £1850 with warranty and 4000 clicks. The perfect complement to my pair of A9II’s. Yes it will be slower for AF and burst rate, but more akin to an R5 than a Z7II in performance.
The Canon r5 tracks like it is clairvoyant. With a 50 1.2 or 85 1.2 and someone moving fast towards I could get almost every shot in perfect focus. Pretty amazing. Wheras the z7 had trouble finding eyes let alone focusing in several situations.
No doubt the R5 is a gem, I went A9II because I MUST have stacked sensors for my work. Now I’m adding a used A7Riv for £1850 to scratch my high resolution itch. Slower than R5 but still way ahead of Z7, with 61mp to boot.
Maybe we should change the title of this thread to Z AF vs Sony AF vs Canon AF.
That way people who are interested in comparisons can read this.
A separate thread on Z AF could focus on understanding Z AF and how to get better results out of it.
I joined this thread to point out how Sony has a mode that solves a problem in the studio that Nikon shooters were asking about and having problems with.. It was a helpful and brand neutral discussion. But then there was (another) “Nikon can do no wrong” meltdown and here we are. I don’t know how that’s solved TBH.
Please, quote where I said that. I'll wait.
In the mean time, I'll just quote you saying you don't understand why if the z7 is good, why people would buy a z9. Because you don't have the intellectual capacity to understand why that's a stupid question, and if you were at all a reasonable person, you'd be pretty embarrassed, but you're here to shill for sony and bash nikon, so I don't expect anything else. That goes for your buddy too.
Please go touch grass, and find another forum to shill on. Thanks.
This is typical of what would take place on DPReview. The thread had sorted itself out and moving along well. I neither shoot studio or astro, so it was of no interest to me. Ghostfox1 jumps in with a comment "This is one of the dumbest things I've seen all week" to Burnimage knowing it's likely to elicit a response. On DPReview this would be a good way to get a thread the fanboys wanted shut down, shut down. On good old DPReview, Burnimage would at least get a warning for the reply, likely get cited for the "broken record" or "not nice" rule, thread would be either shut down or posts picked apart.
Good try Ghostfox, but not going to work here.
You're almost right, nikon bashing happens there all the time, and never gets any push back because doing so gets your posts removed by the mods for 'not being nice'. Then all the bashing continues.
And yes, I'm still correct about that being one of the dumbest things I've seen all week.
By all means, circlejerk away though. I'm checking out of the topic unless something actually intelligent is said.
I started it and it has provoked some good discussion. I say the title stays.
By using the word circlejerk (btw it's two words) when you got nothing else to say tells me alot about your mental age. Perhaps you should grow up a little.
Yikes, this thread....
@BurnImage Thanks for your input; it was helpful and educational. I'm sorry you had to be on the receiving end of some of the nonsense in this toxic thread, but for what it's worth, I found your input helpful.
Most test sites back in 2017 did not agree with this claim.
Do you think many experts were wrong?
As people like Thomas Hogan point out Nikon is good at improving AF by firmware updates over time - and Sony tends to stick in a time warp - indicating if there was any truth in this claim it is less true now than in 2017.
Back then Sony could not use Nikon lenses, and now Sony cannot take much advantage of the several Nikon S grade lenses that are superior to Sony lenses.
A Z7 can!
It’s well known (or have we forgotten?) that the weakness with Nikon’s first foray into mirrorless with the Z6/7 was AF performance (compared to the competition), specifically subject tracking, eye detect, subject recognition and the like, but not AF accuracy and consistency with static subjects and wide open performance which was a significant advance over their DSLR predecessors. So there should be no surprises here that the overall AF performance of the Z6/7 and even their II successors leaves something to be desired when compared to much of the competition. So, yes, no surprise that for example 2017 Sony “flagship” tech outperforms 2017-2020 Nikon tech in that regard. Nikon were late to the ML game and clearly struggled with AF. This is a fact and nothing anyone should be losing their composure over. I don’t shoot studio so this thread helped me understand some further potential limitations with Z6/7/I-II AF in that regard. Knowing that Nikon has been playing catch-up, in all fairness, it probably makes more sense to compare the Nikon Z9 to its competing peers, right? Like I said I don’t shoot studio, but I have recently done a couple of informal sessions, prom night with my daughter and her friend, and then my daughter’s graduation photos. In each of these sessions I was using my Z9 with an SB-700 with Z 24-70 f/2.8S and the 70-200 2.8S. I shot about 300 shots per session, pretty much all wide open (yes, not stopped down as I’ve learned in this thread is typically done in studio work), and for each of those I had one tops two images with missed focus. I was mainly using Auto area AF with human subject detection. Suffices to say I was seriously impressed with this performance and it far exceeded my expectations.
Are you are you sure you have got the calculation right?
For the same angle of view smaller formats have more, not less, depth of field. f4 becomes close to f2.
Yes I’m quite sure thank you. Shooting a traditional f8 studio aperture of a full frame 50mm lens would equate to 25mm at f4 on m43.
Using your maths the m43 would be at f16…….
OFFS!
I'm a bit puzzled as to why that would be the case.
