• April 13, 2023, 9:43 p.m.

    OK, if finding the optimal exposure is so simple, try explaining how to do it in a couple of sentences.

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    April 13, 2023, 9:44 p.m.

    In short, they worked it out and wouldn't know a raw histogram if it bit them on the ass. Exactly my point.

  • April 13, 2023, 9:46 p.m.

    Worked what out? Probably not how to set an optimal exposure. It's a fact of life that many people make a perfectly decent living without doing a particularly good job, or finding places where they can work in their comfort zone (which is always sensible).

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    April 13, 2023, 9:54 p.m.

    LOL

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    April 13, 2023, 9:54 p.m.

    I'm pretty happy with the Z 6's highlight-weighted matrix metering. It does require manual attention to the tone curve in post, but I've crafted my workflow to make it quick and (relatively) simple. I'm going to try Iliah's technique to see if it can't be used in at least some of my capture use cases.

    DPReview really had a good mix of practitioners and theorists, IMHO. And I think they need each other; theorists help the practitioners understand the digital imaging gonkulator, and practitioners keep them relevant. Jury's still out on DPRevived, methinks, but a lot of the folk I came to respect on both sides of it are here now...

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    April 13, 2023, 9:57 p.m.

    Easy. 100% minus Ansel Adams.

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    April 13, 2023, 10 p.m.

    Almost choked on my coffee…😂

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    April 13, 2023, 10:02 p.m.

    I don't need blinkies, when in a hurry I simply use ISO Auto and -1EV. Faster, and doesn't get in the way of composing the shot.

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    April 13, 2023, 10:06 p.m.

    AA. I like him, and he is so full of life.

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    April 13, 2023, 10:08 p.m.

    Will 8 bullet points do?

    1. Shoot Raw
    2. Use M Mode with auto ISO
    3. Adjust aperture and shutter for appropriate dof and motion stopping, to the most light you can get for lowest ISO.
    4. Use ETTR with the above, as appropriate.
    5. Optimise your raw file in post.
    6. Don't bother looking at the raw in RD ... you've already taken the shot.
    7. Don't read any more irrelevant bull on here, go take more photos......
    8. Photography is art, artists never obsess over raw files. Ever. Under ANY circumstances.
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    April 13, 2023, 10:12 p.m.

    Why would I use ISO Auto in a studio? While shooting a landscape? When shooting an ad? etc...

    Say, lots of studio photographers do.

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    April 13, 2023, 10:18 p.m.

    So your contention is that no photographer who actually works for a living has the time to plan their captures with care?

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    April 13, 2023, 10:18 p.m.

    I was asked to summarise. I'm speaking as a general events photographer and a professional unit stills photographer. In another thread I mentioned that in the Studio I use base ISO 100 or, in my case, sometimes the dual gain optimum of ISO640 (for my camera). AGAIN, we come back to if you're a hobbyist, obsessed with this stuff, maybe landscapes on a tripod, then knock yourself out. For general photography it's all nonsense.

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    April 13, 2023, 10:18 p.m.

    Already? Have you looked at all the posts where actual . . . wait for it . . . Images are being posted?

    Gloom and Doom just days into this effort. Threads like this and the forum will die? I don't share your pessimism.

    I have never known knowledge to lead to the demise of a technically-oriented field.

    Your Website shows a lot of excellent imagery and use of very sophisticated equipment.

    I'd be very eager to learn from your expertise in your field. Care to share your advice rather than just criticism at other's attempts to share knowledge?

    Rich

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    April 13, 2023, 10:23 p.m.

    Look at the raw in RD if you want to learn something from your shot (e.g., how good was your pr camera's exposure guess).
    Photographers occasionally bracket to get the image with the best exposure. RD helps pick the best one.
    Before editing, you may want to know whether you have any clipping in raw (using RD). That way, you can check whether the post-processor can reconstruct clipped data or whether you'll get discoloration and missing details.

    I am pretty sure Ansel Adams would have obsessed about raw files. I am pretty sure Jim Kassson obsesses over raw files.

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    April 13, 2023, 10:27 p.m.

    Hi Rich

    Thanks for having a look at my work, if it resonates with you then that's great. And that's what maters right? Maybe I'm coming down on hard with my my views here. It's deliberate. I want to help shape this forum and its tone. I see a slippery slope towards folk showing off their tech knowledge, without any semblance of any of it relating to actual photographs. Tech talk is great. in the right sections, for those who care. But ultimately it should all be about photography and creating great images (IMO)

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    April 13, 2023, 10:32 p.m.

    Yes and landscape photographers should to this day. Ansel Adams was never an event photographer and with all due respect to Jim, he is a scientist whose knowledge is unsurpassed, but he's never been an event or similar photographer either. So his comments, whilst brilliant and accurate, have little to do with being photographer reacting to the moment "in the field".

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    April 13, 2023, 10:35 p.m.

    I can see that you're passionate.

    It's early here and everyone is just getting to know everyone else. I can assure you that the particular members you've decided to take up a fight with have been, in previous fora, the most helpful, encouraging participants in matters ranging from pragmatic, down in the trenches get-the-image advice to the highest levels of understanding color perception and capture, understanding of sensor electronics and mechanics, camera operation and just general photographic issues. There is a wealth of knowledge here, spanning decades of time and many imaging philosophies.

    Rich