• Removed user
    Nov. 22, 2023, 7:08 p.m.

    Although I know what is meant, I rather deprecate the term ...

    A victim:

    victim.jpg

    What most people think is meant:

    grayscale.jpg

    But true Black and White is:

    B and W.jpg

    And Sepia (i.e. not Black and White) is excluded:

    Sepia.jpg

    I'm thinking that "B&W or Monochrome Photography" includes all of the last three examples ...

    Sepia.jpg

    JPG, 684.5 KB, uploaded by xpatUSA on Nov. 22, 2023.

    B and W.jpg

    JPG, 566.1 KB, uploaded by xpatUSA on Nov. 22, 2023.

    grayscale.jpg

    JPG, 472.2 KB, uploaded by xpatUSA on Nov. 22, 2023.

    victim.jpg

    JPG, 595.0 KB, uploaded by xpatUSA on Nov. 22, 2023.

  • Nov. 22, 2023, 9:22 p.m.

    That sounds OK to me. I'll make the change.

    Alan

  • Nov. 22, 2023, 9:45 p.m.

    Or maybe "B, W and Monochrome Photography"? :)
    IMO "and" is better than "or", B&W can be kept of course.

  • Removed user
    Nov. 22, 2023, 11:29 p.m.

    Pardon my pedantry, but I think "or" is more grammatical ... for example, an image can not be both B&W and Sepia, whereas "or" in this case is either the one or the other but not both ...

  • Members 174 posts
    Nov. 23, 2023, 12:37 a.m.

    And the same time, B&W is monochrome. Not or.

  • Removed user
    Nov. 23, 2023, 12:51 a.m.

    Are you really proposing that the category Title be "B&W is monochrome" or are you just deliberately obfuscating this thread with a truism?

  • Nov. 23, 2023, 7:37 a.m.

    Category/forum name indicates that inside are threads about both B&W and monochrome images.
    Sure I have no english knowlegde and I may understand all this completely wrong :)

    Actually I looked at other sources - all B&W is certainly monochrome, but not all monochrome is B&W.

    @Ted Internet sources generally consider B&W equal to grayscale, not to pure black and white.

  • Members 393 posts
    Nov. 23, 2023, 6 p.m.

    Hi,

    Actually, most of the film emulsions folks called black and white were actually panchromatic and not monochromatic.

    The only true black and white film emulsion I can recall was Kodalith. And I can't think of a one that was monochrome but there were likely a few. Just not ones I shot with back in the day.

    As to what to call the category, I can't say as I am fussed with calling it anything other than black and white.

    Stan

  • Members 510 posts
    Nov. 24, 2023, 2:36 a.m.

    I vote to change it back to… black-and-white photography.
    Even though technically speaking, black-and-white photography may be a subgenre of monochrome photography, the inclusion of the additional word monochrome in the forum's title looks far too pretentious to me.

    This is a photography forum for ordinary Joes and Janes, not some high·fa·lu·tin' university photography society!
    Anyway, thanks for allowing me to dig into my old collection of black-and-white photography magazines... lol

    march-2003.jpg

    march-2003.jpg

    JPG, 500.7 KB, uploaded by Greg on Nov. 24, 2023.

  • Removed user
    Nov. 24, 2023, 3:52 a.m.

    Pardon my pedantry.

    In my world, I call a spade a spade but it seems that others might call it a shovel. 😐

  • Removed user
    Nov. 24, 2023, 4:01 a.m.

    @ Arvo I guess that makes it OK then ... 😉

  • Members 1627 posts
    Nov. 24, 2023, 6:53 a.m.

    I do not quite understand this thread. As far as I know, in UK, Monochrome photography is the right term, and the US English term is Black and White, or it may be other way around. Literary cross pollination has made Black and White the dominant term.

    My key darkroom instruction manual was called "Ilford Monochrome Darkroom Practice" by Jack H. Coote. But Ilford have always written "Black and White Film" on their film boxes.

    As the cultural warriors have not exercised themselves with this aspect of photography yet, we can relax, and not bother ourselves with photographic Newspeak.

  • Nov. 24, 2023, 11:23 a.m.

    Is it really that big a deal? It's set now and says what the forum is about - B&W and monochrome photo discussion.