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@DonaldB has written: @DannoLeftForums has written: @DonaldB has written: @DannoLeftForums has written:For a given scene lighting, if you change the WB setting or the colour space in your camera your Sony histogram, like every other camera manufacturer's histogram, will vary 🤣🤣
Im not worried about WB auto is as close as you can get for a camera to be a reliable light meter.
That's fine but given that WB is not applied to the raw data in camera but when the raw data is rendered into a jpeg image either in camera or in post proves that all camera histograms are not a raw histogram.
You stupidly claimed your Sony's camera histogram is a raw histogram 😀
Your camera's histogram will vary according to the WB setting and your selected colour space and so cannot possibly be a raw histogram 😎😎
If you ask the engineers at Sony I can guarantee you 100% they will tell you the camera's histogram is not a raw histogram 🤣😎
think about it. if i posted a raw histogram what would the jpeg histogram look like 🤐
The definitive answer is:
a raw histogram
the jpeg histogram
LOL
thank you, you have just proved my findings and point. so if the camera live luminousity histogram was sampling the jpeg then the camera histogram should have been highlight clipped quite a lot.
but guess what ! "IT ISNT"😎😎😎
and btw the faststone luminousity histogram reads both raw and jpeg and you can flick back an forth to see the difference as well.
@DonaldB has written: @IliahBorg has written:Among other differences, raw histogram shows no clipping, luminocity histogram shows blacks and whites clipped.
No it doesnt thats the border of the histogram showing the ends.
It does, especially in highlights.
no it isnt ive even looked through a jewelers loupe 😁
will post anohter one today with a sharper image of the histogram.
Those are raw and luminocity histograms, and they look totally different.
Thats why i prefer the faststone raw luminousity histogram, which i did post.
if the camera live luminousity histogram
Do you know that luminosity histogram depends on colour model, most influential is green, with little input from red and even less from blue?
Classic luminosity is calculated as 29.8839% red, 58.6811% green and 11.4350% blue NTSC linear gamma.
faststone luminousity histogram reads both raw and jpeg
i prefer the faststone raw luminousity histogram
FastStone histogram isn't based on raw, and there is no luminosity until a colour model is applied, so no luminosity for raw.
Thats right there is no clipping from the raw file, but the incamera jpeg is clipped
So is in-camera histogram.
There is no in-camera JPEG that you can access, but there is out-of-camera JPEG. Those are two distinctly different things. The camera uses video processing to calculate live histogram, and guess what video processor works with...
@IliahBorg has written: @DonaldB has written: @IliahBorg has written:Among other differences, raw histogram shows no clipping, luminocity histogram shows blacks and whites clipped.
No it doesnt thats the border of the histogram showing the ends.
It does, especially in highlights.
no it isnt ive even looked through a jewelers loupe
will post anohter one today with a sharper image of the histogram.
It's your time to waste.
The only proof of your method would be each and every one of your raw files taken under good light to be exposed to the right.
There is no in-camera JPEG that you can access
yes there is . and you can have display a RGB histogram for that in playback.
The camera uses video processing to calculate live histogram, and guess what video processor works with...
You dont know, and niether does anyone else. your only speculating.
but there is out-of-camera JPEG
I have already posted the out of camera image. take it into photoshop and read the numbers.
@DonaldB has written:if the camera live luminousity histogram
Do you know that luminosity histogram depends on colour model, most influential is green, with little input from red and even less from blue?
Classic luminosity is calculated as 29.8839% red, 58.6811% green and 11.4350% blue NTSC linear gamma. @DonaldB has written:faststone luminousity histogram reads both raw and jpeg
@DonaldB has written:i prefer the faststone raw luminousity histogram
FastStone histogram isn't based on raw, and there is no luminosity until a colour model is applied, so no luminosity for raw.
again only speculation on your behalf.
@IliahBorg has written:The camera uses video processing to calculate live histogram, and guess what video processor works with...
You dont know, and niether does anyone else. your only speculating.
I do know. Lots of people do know. Lots of people design cameras, hack firmware, and simply know chipsets. It's you who don't know, and you don't want to learn.
@DonaldB has written: @IliahBorg has written:The camera uses video processing to calculate live histogram, and guess what video processor works with...
You dont know, and niether does anyone else. your only speculating.
I do know. Lots of people do know. Lots of people design cameras, hack firmware, and simply know chipsets. It's you who don't know, and you don't want to learn.
lets get this straight AGAIN. the incamera histogram represents at best, the raw file NOT the Jpeg. which part do you not understand ?
@IliahBorg has written: @DonaldB has written: @IliahBorg has written:The camera uses video processing to calculate live histogram, and guess what video processor works with...
You dont know, and niether does anyone else. your only speculating.
I do know. Lots of people do know. Lots of people design cameras, hack firmware, and simply know chipsets. It's you who don't know, and you don't want to learn.
lets get this straight AGAIN. the incamera histogram represents at best, the raw file NOT the Jpeg. which part do you not understand ?
The part where you are wrong ~<:-)
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@DonaldB has written: @IliahBorg has written: @DonaldB has written: @IliahBorg has written:The camera uses video processing to calculate live histogram, and guess what video processor works with...
You dont know, and niether does anyone else. your only speculating.
I do know. Lots of people do know. Lots of people design cameras, hack firmware, and simply know chipsets. It's you who don't know, and you don't want to learn.
lets get this straight AGAIN. the incamera histogram represents at best, the raw file NOT the Jpeg. which part do you not understand ?
The part where you are wrong ~<:-)
game set match.
just took an image of a white globe ceiling light. the 16 bit converted raw read 250 250 250 the jpeg was over 255 255 255
here is a 1:1 image of the tiny camera histogram LOL
@DonaldB has written:lets get this straight AGAIN. the incamera histogram represents at best, the raw file NOT the Jpeg. which part do you not understand ?
You do not know, you are only speculating.
speculating is haveing no proof. i have presented the proof may times. you prove me wrong. Oh you cant because you dont own a sony 😜
Thanks Ian, you gave me a hint to the final peice to the puzzel. everyone was just to rapped up with the raw file putting up so many auguments and not the jpeg.
best part is ive taken away the grey areas ,there is no more. KISS has beaten you all.
now for the 7 year old a6300 😁