has to be this one for your avitar a total train smash of a fly stack, something i could imagine you taking.😂😂😎
You are not even trying now 🤣🤣🤣
Can you not come up with something better than that?
If you need DannoLeftForums to take your attempts at trolling seriously you will need to do a lot better than that.
Even Ghundred and Porky made far better attempts than you have and they are both Troll School dropouts 😂😂😎
Let's see what else you got 😃😃 but put some oomph into it 🤣
You are not even trying now 🤣🤣🤣
Can you not come up with something better than that?
If you need DannoLeftForums to take your attempts at trolling seriously you will need to do a lot better than that.
Even Ghundred and Porky made far better attempts than you have and they are both Troll School dropouts 😂😂😎
Let's see what else you got 😃😃
nothing more, you have no toys to bring to the conversation. go find others to spunge off.
You are proving my points 😄😄😎
if you want to belittle a member then post an image to voice your opinion,otherwise stay out of the thread.
@DannoLeftForums has written:You are proving my points 😄😄😎
if you want to belittle a member then post an image to voice your opinion,otherwise stay out of the thread.
My opinion is that this is just another classic example of
😄😄😄😄😄😄😎
this is from a toy camera like the one Danno uses and a toy lens thats not even a macro lens.
its all about the eye detail . or havent you learnt anything.
Not a bad image artistically. Pretty good one. However, on the technical side, there's a number of blown out areas. Are they blown in jpeg or in raw? Were you using an in-camera histogram?
With E-M5MarkII it probably doesn't make sense to shoot raw at ISO >400, you could've probably salvaged the highlights blown at ISO 800 (in case they're blown in raw) had you shot it at ISO 400 with the same other settings.
Team,
Why has this entire stupid thread and it's stupid click-bait title NOT been moved to the Dumpster?
I can think of a much better fate than that, grump.
Wouldn't it be nice if not only a deliberately idiotic post be deleted but all it's quotes be deleted leaving only their rebuttals in place? Not easy I'm sure ... if even possible.
Not naming names - they know who they are ...
@ggbutcher has written: @DonaldB has written:it doesnt matter as the ends are still locked. same when you adjust curves in PS to gain more contrast.
I think your assertions are locked on the tools you've used. The end control points of the curve tool I use can be slid along either axis...
Even with them set at the far corners, there can be significant effect with slope in the corners. That's the basis of the filmic curve, which has a toe (left end) that starts shallow but almost immediately changes to a steeper slope, far before you can really see it in a curve plot. That's to emulate the so-called "crisp blacks" of film. A good read on it:
filmicworlds.com/blog/why-a-filmic-curve-saturates-your-blacks/
so you think i cant emulate real blacks in an image. how about you show me one of your masterpeices and see if it compares to mine.
Hmm, I didn't assert that at all. Nice image, BTW.
I don't do bugs, but I have been known to crush shadows. As a screenshot in the raw processor, so you can see the curve:
Of note, the histogram in the curve tool is the original data presented to the curve; the one above it shows the result. The lowest tones in the image are effectively pulled to black by the low slope at the left side of the tone curve. The original capture is rather low-contrast, not that interesting without the shadow-crushing tone curve...
Edit: rephrased some things...
@DonaldB has written: @ggbutcher has written: @DonaldB has written:it doesnt matter as the ends are still locked. same when you adjust curves in PS to gain more contrast.
I think your assertions are locked on the tools you've used. The end control points of the curve tool I use can be slid along either axis...
Even with them set at the far corners, there can be significant effect with slope in the corners. That's the basis of the filmic curve, which has a toe (left end) that starts shallow but almost immediately changes to a steeper slope, far before you can really see it in a curve plot. That's to emulate the so-called "crisp blacks" of film. A good read on it:
filmicworlds.com/blog/why-a-filmic-curve-saturates-your-blacks/
so you think i cant emulate real blacks in an image. how about you show me one of your masterpeices and see if it compares to mine.
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Hmm, I didn't assert that at all. Nice image, BTW.
I don't do bugs, but I have been known to crush blacks. As a screenshot in the raw processor, so you can see the curve:
Of note, the histogram in the curve tool is the original data presented to the curve; the one above it shows the result. The lowest tones in the image are effectively pulled to black by the low slope at the left side of the tone curve. The original capture is rather low-contrast, not that interesting without the black-crushing tone curve...
Nice example! Hopefully not wasted but ...
... hope springs eternal in the human breast ... !
Team,
Why has this entire stupid thread and it's stupid click-bait title NOT been moved to the Dumpster?
I can think of a much better fate than that, grump.
Wouldn't it be nice if not only a deliberately idiotic post be deleted but all it's quotes be deleted leaving only their rebuttals in place? Not easy I'm sure ... if even possible.
Not naming names - they know who they are ...
I can tell you why I am glad when sub-threads are NOT moved to the dumpster - because the whole moved sub-thread will be marked as "unread", and then I have to look through it all again, sometimes accidentally replying to something I already replied to. Until it is worked out how to keep read posts marked as read, I find no joy in anything being moved to the dumpster.
@xpatUSA has written:Team,
Why has this entire stupid thread and it's stupid click-bait title NOT been moved to the Dumpster?
I can think of a much better fate than that, grump.
Wouldn't it be nice if not only a deliberately idiotic post be deleted but all it's quotes be deleted leaving only their rebuttals in place? Not easy I'm sure ... if even possible.
Not naming names - they know who they are ...
I can tell you why I am glad when sub-threads are NOT moved to the dumpster - because the whole moved sub-thread will be marked as "unread", and then I have to look through it all again, sometimes accidentally replying to something I already replied to. Until it is worked out how to keep read posts marked as read, I find no joy in anything being moved to the dumpster.
Understood and agreed from that POV.
@GreatBustard has written: @DonaldB has written:i can show 100 at this standard.
Please do! I think that's the best of all the macros I've seen you post.
ive tried to be civil and interactive and all ive got is sarcastic reponces.
members want to play, they better put there images where there mouth is.BTW this is a 70 image stack of a live moskito 2mm FOV 😁 it takes all day to plan,take and process the image.
I was being serious -- that's the best macro I've seen you post, and I really like your macros!
@DonaldB has written:this is from a toy camera like the one Danno uses and a toy lens thats not even a macro lens.
its all about the eye detail . or havent you learnt anything.Not a bad image artistically. Pretty good one. However, on the technical side, there's a number of blown out areas. Are they blown in jpeg or in raw? Were you using an in-camera histogram?
With E-M5MarkII it probably doesn't make sense to shoot raw at ISO >400, you could've probably salvaged the highlights blown at ISO 800 (in case they're blown in raw) had you shot it at ISO 400 with the same other settings.
post a comparrision image of yours.
Team,
Why has this entire stupid thread and it's stupid click-bait title NOT been moved to the Dumpster?
I can think of a much better fate than that, grump.
Wouldn't it be nice if not only a deliberately idiotic post be deleted but all it's quotes be deleted leaving only their rebuttals in place? Not easy I'm sure ... if even possible.
Not naming names - they know who they are ...
another would-be photographer. dont think you have ever posted an image.
@DonaldB has written: @ggbutcher has written: @DonaldB has written:it doesnt matter as the ends are still locked. same when you adjust curves in PS to gain more contrast.
I think your assertions are locked on the tools you've used. The end control points of the curve tool I use can be slid along either axis...
Even with them set at the far corners, there can be significant effect with slope in the corners. That's the basis of the filmic curve, which has a toe (left end) that starts shallow but almost immediately changes to a steeper slope, far before you can really see it in a curve plot. That's to emulate the so-called "crisp blacks" of film. A good read on it:
filmicworlds.com/blog/why-a-filmic-curve-saturates-your-blacks/
so you think i cant emulate real blacks in an image. how about you show me one of your masterpeices and see if it compares to mine.
Hmm, I didn't assert that at all. Nice image, BTW.
I don't do bugs, but I have been known to crush shadows. As a screenshot in the raw processor, so you can see the curve:
Of note, the histogram in the curve tool is the original data presented to the curve; the one above it shows the result. The lowest tones in the image are effectively pulled to black by the low slope at the left side of the tone curve. The original capture is rather low-contrast, not that interesting without the shadow-crushing tone curve...
Edit: rephrased some things...
you have crushed the blacks all right and the whole image.
is this your best work ? 🙄🤨
@ggbutcher has written: @DonaldB has written: @ggbutcher has written: @DonaldB has written:it doesnt matter as the ends are still locked. same when you adjust curves in PS to gain more contrast.
I think your assertions are locked on the tools you've used. The end control points of the curve tool I use can be slid along either axis...
Even with them set at the far corners, there can be significant effect with slope in the corners. That's the basis of the filmic curve, which has a toe (left end) that starts shallow but almost immediately changes to a steeper slope, far before you can really see it in a curve plot. That's to emulate the so-called "crisp blacks" of film. A good read on it:
filmicworlds.com/blog/why-a-filmic-curve-saturates-your-blacks/
so you think i cant emulate real blacks in an image. how about you show me one of your masterpeices and see if it compares to mine.
Hmm, I didn't assert that at all. Nice image, BTW.
I don't do bugs, but I have been known to crush shadows. As a screenshot in the raw processor, so you can see the curve:
Of note, the histogram in the curve tool is the original data presented to the curve; the one above it shows the result. The lowest tones in the image are effectively pulled to black by the low slope at the left side of the tone curve. The original capture is rather low-contrast, not that interesting without the shadow-crushing tone curve...
Edit: rephrased some things...
you have crushed the blacks all right and the whole image. looks like you used a MFT sensor the image is that bad crushing blacks.
is this your best work ? 🙄🤨
That was the intent. If you don't like it, that's your angst...
@DonaldB has written: @ggbutcher has written: @DonaldB has written: @ggbutcher has written: @DonaldB has written:it doesnt matter as the ends are still locked. same when you adjust curves in PS to gain more contrast.
I think your assertions are locked on the tools you've used. The end control points of the curve tool I use can be slid along either axis...
Even with them set at the far corners, there can be significant effect with slope in the corners. That's the basis of the filmic curve, which has a toe (left end) that starts shallow but almost immediately changes to a steeper slope, far before you can really see it in a curve plot. That's to emulate the so-called "crisp blacks" of film. A good read on it:
filmicworlds.com/blog/why-a-filmic-curve-saturates-your-blacks/
so you think i cant emulate real blacks in an image. how about you show me one of your masterpeices and see if it compares to mine.
Hmm, I didn't assert that at all. Nice image, BTW.
I don't do bugs, but I have been known to crush shadows. As a screenshot in the raw processor, so you can see the curve:
Of note, the histogram in the curve tool is the original data presented to the curve; the one above it shows the result. The lowest tones in the image are effectively pulled to black by the low slope at the left side of the tone curve. The original capture is rather low-contrast, not that interesting without the shadow-crushing tone curve...
Edit: rephrased some things...
you have crushed the blacks all right and the whole image. looks like you used a MFT sensor the image is that bad crushing blacks.
is this your best work ? 🙄🤨That was the intent. If you don't like it, that's your angst...
why dont you just push the blacks in ACR your method is not bringing anything new to the table. and neither is your work.
@ggbutcher has written: @DonaldB has written:why dont you just push the blacks in ACR your method is not bringing anything new to the table. and neither is your work.
I'm pretty sure ACR would be "pushing blacks" in the same way. The original question was about using the middle of the tone curve to manipulate contrast, and I picked an example image that I think is well-served by working the low end.
I really don't care about your aesthetic predilections...
I'm not [delusional enough] to think [that] post-processing and [that] knowing how a sensor works makes a great image, because no one here [has] yet to post anything that shows me that [this is] the case ...
... until now: