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Scene luminance has nothing to do with exposure.

DonaldB
June 16, 2023
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    IliahBorg
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    June 17, 2023, 1:35 p.m. June 17, 2023, 1:35 p.m.
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    @DonaldB has written:
    @IliahBorg has written:

    they determine the reduction of the "amount" of light.

    speed booster 😁

    has nothing to do with it.

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    DonCox
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    June 17, 2023, 7:08 p.m. June 17, 2023, 7:08 p.m.
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    @DonaldB has written:
    @IanSForsyth has written:
    @SrMi has written:

    That is not the role of exposure. E.g., the lightness (ISO) and the colors (WB) are not part of exposure.

    What happens if I pre WB the light with light modifiers to produce a uniform WB across different light sources in the scene?

    If I am modifying my illuminate to cast a different WB differently across my FOV or if I am introducing colored light to a backdrop then WB and color can part of the exposure

    its not part of exposure , that is lighting the scene. nothing to do with taking the image nothing.

    I'm afraid I disagree with you.
    Don Cox

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    DonCox
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    June 17, 2023, 7:16 p.m. June 17, 2023, 7:16 p.m.
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    @bobn2 has written:
    @DonaldB has written:

    Im going to stick with the original exposure triangle.

    What is 'the original exposure triangle' and what does 'sticking with it' mean?

    The "original triangle" must be the one in Peterson's book.
    I think that as soon as you introduce triangles or trinities, mysticism arrives, followed by theological wrangles.

    Don Cox

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    bobn2
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    June 17, 2023, 8:53 p.m. June 17, 2023, 8:53 p.m.
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    @DonCox has written:

    The "original triangle" must be the one in Peterson's book.

    Which was 'aperture, shutter speed and film'.

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    DonaldB
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    June 17, 2023, 9:09 p.m. June 17, 2023, 9:09 p.m.
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    @bobn2 has written:
    @DonCox has written:

    The "original triangle" must be the one in Peterson's book.

    Which was 'aperture, shutter speed and film'.

    pretty much. 'aperture, shutter speed and iso. they are all i record on the camera when i test a new studio setup. i dont even record my 7 studio lights settings anymore as i have them diffused and spaced at exactly the places i need them for the required amount of light. scene luminance is such a waist of brain space and its not practically recordable anyway in my situation. if scene luminence was important you would have included it in your software exif data 😎

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    IliahBorg
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    June 17, 2023, 9:12 p.m. June 17, 2023, 9:12 p.m.
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    @DonaldB has written:
    @bobn2 has written:
    @DonCox has written:

    The "original triangle" must be the one in Peterson's book.

    Which was 'aperture, shutter speed and film'.

    aperture, shutter speed and iso.

    You don't have the book, do you?

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    DonaldB
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    June 17, 2023, 9:32 p.m. June 17, 2023, 9:32 p.m.
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    @IliahBorg has written:
    @DonaldB has written:
    @bobn2 has written:
    @DonCox has written:

    The "original triangle" must be the one in Peterson's book.

    Which was 'aperture, shutter speed and film'.

    aperture, shutter speed and iso.

    You don't have the book, do you?

    No

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    bobn2
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    June 17, 2023, 9:52 p.m. June 17, 2023, 9:52 p.m.
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    @DonaldB has written:
    @IliahBorg has written:
    @DonaldB has written:
    @bobn2 has written:
    @DonCox has written:

    The "original triangle" must be the one in Peterson's book.

    Which was 'aperture, shutter speed and film'.

    aperture, shutter speed and iso.

    You don't have the book, do you?

    No

    That would be why you don't know what it says.

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    DonaldB
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    June 17, 2023, 9:55 p.m. June 17, 2023, 9:55 p.m.
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    @bobn2 has written:
    @DonaldB has written:
    @IliahBorg has written:
    @DonaldB has written:
    @bobn2 has written:
    @DonCox has written:

    The "original triangle" must be the one in Peterson's book.

    Which was 'aperture, shutter speed and film'.

    aperture, shutter speed and iso.

    You don't have the book, do you?

    No

    That would be why you don't know what it says.

    LOL google is your friend, his book is referenced many times. go do your homework.

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    June 17, 2023, 10:32 p.m. June 17, 2023, 10:32 p.m.
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    @DonaldB has written:
    @bobn2 has written:
    @DonCox has written:

    The "original triangle" must be the one in Peterson's book.

    Which was 'aperture, shutter speed and film'.

    pretty much. 'aperture, shutter speed and iso. they are all i record on the camera when i test a new studio setup. i dont even record my 7 studio lights settings anymore as i have them diffused and spaced at exactly the places i need them for the required amount of light. scene luminance is such a waist of brain space and its not practically recordable anyway in my situation. if scene luminence was important you would have included it in your software exif data 😎

    Ah, the ever-popular suck-it-and-see approach! No brain-space waisted at all ... and, presumably, not a single light-meter to be seen in your professional studio, unlike here:

    spot the professional

    stolen from en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_meter#Exposure_meter_calibration

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    IliahBorg
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    June 17, 2023, 10:32 p.m. June 17, 2023, 10:32 p.m.
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    @DonaldB has written:

    go do your homework.

    Yes, go
    Screenshot from 2023-06-17 18-31-13.png

    Screenshot from 2023-06-17 18-31-13.png

    PNG, 179.1 KB, uploaded by IliahBorg on June 17, 2023.

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    DonaldB
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    June 17, 2023, 10:38 p.m. June 17, 2023, 10:38 p.m.
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    @IliahBorg has written:
    @DonaldB has written:

    go do your homework.

    Yes, go
    Screenshot from 2023-06-17 18-31-13.png

    photographic triangle is a good name . but im sure many will criticise it just the same. as they criticise exposure triangle.

    petapixel.com/2016/07/18/never-teach-exposure-triangle-beginners/

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    DonaldB
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    June 17, 2023, 10:44 p.m. June 17, 2023, 10:44 p.m.
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    @xpatUSA has written:
    @DonaldB has written:
    @bobn2 has written:
    @DonCox has written:

    The "original triangle" must be the one in Peterson's book.

    Which was 'aperture, shutter speed and film'.

    pretty much. 'aperture, shutter speed and iso. they are all i record on the camera when i test a new studio setup. i dont even record my 7 studio lights settings anymore as i have them diffused and spaced at exactly the places i need them for the required amount of light. scene luminance is such a waist of brain space and its not practically recordable anyway in my situation. if scene luminence was important you would have included it in your software exif data 😎

    Ah, the ever-popular suck-it-and-see approach! No brain-space waisted at all ... and, presumably, not a single light-meter to be seen in your professional studio, unlike here:

    spot the professional

    stolen from en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_meter#Exposure_meter_calibration

    thats right i dont own an exposure meter i have better ones built in my cameras , btw i actually own my studio because i make money and dont waste time with useless work flows 😎 and if you take notice he is using the light meter for constant lighting not studio strobes but you knew that didnt you 🙄

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    June 17, 2023, 10:53 p.m. June 17, 2023, 10:53 p.m.
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    @DonaldB has written:

    if you take notice he is using the light meter for constant lighting not studio strobes but you knew that didnt you 🙄

    No need to "take notice" it is obvious, even to me ...

    ... less obvious is what "my 7 studio lights" are ...

    "keep it vague; avoid the plague" ... 😃

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    TonyBeach
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    June 17, 2023, 11:24 p.m. June 17, 2023, 11:24 p.m.
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    @DonaldB has written:

    if scene luminence was important you would have included it in your software exif data 😎

    photos.imageevent.com/tonybeach/mypicturesfolder/sharing/Untitled-1_31.jpg

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    IliahBorg
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    June 17, 2023, 11:45 p.m. June 17, 2023, 11:45 p.m.
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    @DonaldB has written:

    photographic triangle is a good name

    So, what then is the name? -
    It's just an idle sound...

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    June 18, 2023, 12:35 a.m. June 18, 2023, 12:35 a.m.
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    @TonyBeach has written:
    @DonaldB has written:

    if scene luminence was important you would have included it in your software exif data 😎

    photos.imageevent.com/tonybeach/mypicturesfolder/sharing/Untitled-1_31.jpg

    Tony, as you probably know, Light Value is calculated from the camera settings and is not a direct measurement of the scene luminance.

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    JACS
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    June 18, 2023, 12:45 a.m. June 18, 2023, 12:45 a.m.
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