• Members 1737 posts
    June 18, 2023, 12:53 p.m.

    The in camera histogram does not measure scene luminance. It’s affected by other things, too.

  • Removed user
    June 18, 2023, 12:58 p.m.

    Ouch!

  • June 18, 2023, 1 p.m.

    Yes, you irritated me more than a little. I rephrased my response a bit. Try reading that.

  • Removed user
    June 18, 2023, 1:20 p.m.

    Tony, could you tell us what ISO was used for the shot and was any Exposure Compensation applied (if so, how much)?

  • Members 976 posts
    June 18, 2023, 1:29 p.m.

    From ExifTool-12.63/lib/Image/ExifTool/Exif.pm

    lines 2229 and 2230:
    # Wikipedia: BrightnessValue = Bv = Av + Tv - Sv
    # ExifTool: LightValue = LV = Av + Tv - Sv + 5 (5 is the Sv for ISO 100 in Exif usage)

    lines 4472 .. 4484:

    LightValue => {
            Notes => q{
                calculated LV = 2 * log2(Aperture) - log2(ShutterSpeed) - log2(ISO/100);
                similar to exposure value but normalized to ISO 100
            },
            Require => {
                0 => 'Aperture',
                1 => 'ShutterSpeed',
                2 => 'ISO',
            },
            ValueConv => 'Image::ExifTool::Exif::CalculateLV($val[0],$val[1],$prt[2])',
            PrintConv => 'sprintf("%.1f",$val)',
        },
    

    lines 5069 .. 5083

    # Calculate LV (Light Value)
    # Inputs: 0) Aperture, 1) ShutterSpeed, 2) ISO
    # Returns: LV value (and converts input values to floating point if necessary)
    sub CalculateLV($$$)
    {
        local $_;
        # do validity checks on arguments
        return undef unless @_ >= 3;
        foreach (@_) {
            return undef unless $_ and /([+-]?(?=\d|\.\d)\d*(\.\d*)?([Ee]([+-]?\d+))?)/ and $1 > 0;
            $_ = $1;    # extract float from any other garbage
        }
        # (A light value of 0 is defined as f/1.0 at 1 second with ISO 100)
        return log($_[0] * $_[0] * 100 / ($_[1] * $_[2])) / log(2);
    }
    
  • Members 300 posts
    June 18, 2023, 1:52 p.m.

    I know apps do show only some tags of all of them. I used exiv2.

    ExifToolGUI is only for Windows or Mac. But I found another tool called exif.

    With it I get one interesting info: Brightness |4,73 EV (91,05 cd/m^2).
    Is that the same value as Light Value in your picture?
    At least it is a metric value which is better to understand than luminance in cd/ft2) in en.wikipedia.org/wiki/APEX_system#Use_of_APEX_values_in_Exif

    Still I can not get FOV or CoC or Hyperfocal Distance, which were interesting things to know too.

    Edit. Iliah posted when I was writing. I guess this is the answer to my question:

  • Removed user
    June 18, 2023, 2:02 p.m.

    Not my picture, but looking around today they are not necessarily the same.

    They are also calculated values and may not necessarily be in all image EXIFs ...

  • Members 204 posts
    June 18, 2023, 2:49 p.m.

    The CoC is an assumption that determines the Hyperfocal distance, so if I use a CoC of .02 mm (which I do) then the hyperfocal distance increases and the DOF decreases. FOV is also based on the format used, which on many cameras is selectable and that is in the EXIF data too, but that doesn't take into account that often photos are cropped versions of the original.

  • Members 204 posts
    June 18, 2023, 4:55 p.m.

    ISO 450

    I may have applied EC, though when using Auto-ISO I usually don't. Since it was in Manual Exposure mode I think the EC doesn't show up in the EXIF data (I can't find it here or in a couple of other files I looked at).

  • Members 300 posts
    June 18, 2023, 6:05 p.m.

    In Sony files the EC tag is Exif.Photo.ExposureBiasValue. Exiv2 shows it in form Exif.Photo.ExposureBiasValue SRational 1 -7/10 EV.
    EC was -0.7

    And Exif.Photo.ExposureBiasValue SRational 1 0 EV in a picture with no exposure correction.

  • Removed user
    June 18, 2023, 6:24 p.m.

    Thanks Tony!

    Mystery of "Light Value" solved to my satisfaction ...

    LV = EV corrected to ISO100 = log2(N^2/t) - log2(450/100) = 9.34 - 2.17 = 7.17.

  • Members 2305 posts
    June 18, 2023, 9:52 p.m.

    the very comprehensive paper i read said that using Auto Wb is used to use a histogram as a luminance meter.

  • Members 2305 posts
    June 18, 2023, 9:55 p.m.

    www.image-engineering.de/content/library/conference_papers/before_2009/luminance_meters.pdf

  • Members 976 posts
    June 18, 2023, 10:03 p.m.

    You misunderstood something. At the very least, the camera needs to be characterized first, to determine the transfer function.

  • Members 878 posts
    June 18, 2023, 10:04 p.m.

    [deleted]

  • Members 1737 posts
    June 18, 2023, 10:07 p.m.

    Yup.

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    image.png

    PNG, 32.6Β KB, uploaded by JimKasson on June 18, 2023.

  • Members 2305 posts
    June 18, 2023, 11:23 p.m.

    the article i read said exposure levels.