• Members 164 posts
    April 3, 2023, 9:39 a.m.

    Well just to remind you, you stated that “a name should be accurately descriptive of the thing it names” as part of your objection to DPRevived, and I pointed out a variety of billion dollar companies that started out and continue to have obscure names - Apple, Google, Amazon etc. Your only comeback to that was that I was being “snarky”. Unless I’m missing something, you’re conceding that point no?

    Just in case you’re not convinced, let’s think of a few web brands. Facebook for example - that’s a reference to an American college tradition, a physical student directory that places like Harvard used to publish each year. Not only is it completely anachronistic and harking back to a practice from the past, it was completely meaningless to people outside the US, or indeed outside the US college system. Did that hold it back much? Is it time to rename the Facebook site, now that the name refers to something long forgotten?

    Twitter. It’s such a ubiquitous term now, we all know what it is and what it means, to the point where “tweet” has taken on a whole new meaning and dictionaries have had to be updated.. but back in the noughties when it was starting out, was Twitter “accurately descriptive of the thing it names”?

    YouTube. I mean us old codgers can probably guess at the original meaning of this one, but does anyone since the birth of YouTube refer to the TV as the Tube anymore? Or in fact watch TV? Surely YouTube is a site that needs a new name, right?

  • April 3, 2023, 11:43 a.m.

    ok so you both have a perspective here. That's good.

    If you had to give a final word on 'does this site need a new name or not', what would it be a yes or no? - or you're happy to reserve judgement, see how it all pans out.

    No - i.e. nothing is perfect but this is fine, has some spirit about it - and it's working well in terms of catching-on.
    Yes - i.e. it's just plain weird, awkward or irrelevant - and might be difficult to catch-on.

  • Members 164 posts
    April 3, 2023, 12:09 p.m.

    Hard no from me. It is catching on, I think that’s indisputable - the site is proving much more successful than the alternatives which could be said to have more “accurate, descriptive” names like DpDiscuss and DPRForum. It has a bit of wordplay to it, it’s distinctive and unique, and it’s established itself with the core target audience (DPR refugees).

    I also think that it’s catchy enough so as to not bother newbies in the future, who need neither know nor care where the name came from (but can easily find out if they’re curious).

  • Members 146 posts
    April 3, 2023, 12:57 p.m.

    Thanks for asking. If I had to choose one of the two options you've outlined: Yes, it's just plain weird, awkward or irrelevant - and might be difficult to catch-on.

    To be slightly more nuanced about it, I think it's an imperfect (but acceptable and likely effective) name for the transition period, but will become less and less suitable as the demise of DPReview recedes into the past. A name that carries us forward and communicates/encapsulates the positive mission of the site would be a better bet IMO.

  • April 3, 2023, 1:04 p.m.

    I tend to agree.

    In terms of readability, if we were to write the name in a sentence, or jot on a piece of paper, or present the name as a textual-logo at the head of this site -

    DPRevived (at a glance I read 'evived' too often and it just looks messy to me)

    dprevived (at a glance I read 'deprived', and you kinda need some uppercase in there to state the importance of a name)

    DPREVIVED (similar to DRREVIEW, though at a glance here I read 'DEPRIVED')

    dpREVIVED (works ok for me!)

    • which?

    This might be inconsequential to some, but setting an appearance and tone with the name is important, and best done sooner rather than later. Yes it's a minor tweak though I'd say worthwhile (and I concluded further up that it was that which irked me with DPRevived - not the actual name).

  • April 3, 2023, 1:12 p.m.

    It was this that mustered up my courage to start this thread. But I couldn't think of a better name.

    It seems that it should use DPR as the start of a 3-word name. It needn't, but in the end I think it should, this site was born from the death of DPR. It 'owes' itself to DPR - some connection helps. It's why we are all here. We are the DPR'ers, not Amazon.

    Anyway, and seriously, do you have any suggestions for a name, that as you say with enthusiasm -

    not a test, just totally open to suggestions.

  • Members 511 posts
    April 3, 2023, 2:07 p.m.

    Y’all need to take a step back and smell the coffee…
    dprevived.com aka digital photography revived.
    it will grow on you. lol

    Anyhoo… it won’t be long before it’s on page one of goolge.

  • Members 146 posts
    April 3, 2023, 2:29 p.m.

    Any name that is built around "DPR" will have at least some of the same issues that the current name has - i.e. rooted in the past in a way that is backward-looking and will ease transition, but then may hold the site back.

    However if we must go there, one option might be to choose a new site name that happens to have those initials - e.g "Digital Pixel Roundup", "Digital Photography Roundtable", "Daft Photo Renegades" or the like. Unfortunately, the "dpr.com" domain appears to be taken --- and in any case, if there's any concern about Amazon protecting its IP or "trade dress" etc., some or all of these may be as problematic as DPRevived.

    Alternatively, if we're prepared to cut the umbilical, the options expand quite a bit. Lots of options like "PhotoGeekFest", "CameraphilesAnonymous", "ImageCapture", "CameraOracle" and the like might be worth a look.

    I'm not wedded to any of these, just throwing them out there to see if they spark an idea or provide food for thought. The way I see it, the collective mental muscles of the users here are a resource we should consider drawing on.

  • Members 61 posts
    April 3, 2023, 3:13 p.m.

    I like the idea of overloading the initials in the future.
    How about: Digital Photography Resources

  • April 3, 2023, 3:24 p.m.

    those options, I tried them on my tongue, they were difficult. That's what I've found with three word names, they get more tricky to say quickly, or remember easily - the more words are involved.

    In this photo-world, the weirdest, yet accepted, yet the one which took me years to understand what it meant and how to type it, and remember it, was

    RawTherapee

    • it's still a super weird name. But in some ways that's why it works, amongst all the bland stuff; but it is weird!

    Back to just saying these names out loud, dpREVIVED is ok - more than ok.

    • though it helps me to say it 'out loud', to see it written like like.

    /

    Otherwise it's yes, the umbilical is gone, it was never there, and we need a one word name (like the big dictatorial brands) ...which I'm up for,

    though dpREVIVED does the job, is here already and maybe better due to a connection with the past.

    We all stand on the shoulders of someone. That should not be forgotten.

  • April 3, 2023, 3:34 p.m.

    Maybe the best yet - of the alternatives.

    dpRESOURCES can be a think-tank and a library, but to be honest sounds like something filed away, that I might need to dust off.

    REVIVED - while wondering what is actually being revived, is at least alive. I had a zombie connection with 'revived', but it is still the best.

    dpREV - is also neat, very neat! I'm glad the team secured this address.

  • Members 146 posts
    April 3, 2023, 3:39 p.m.

    I happen to think you had it right the first time.

    You seem to have done a 180° turn and now regret starting the thread --- but I happen to think the questions in your opening post were legitimate.

    However, since I think I've made my position clear, I will defer to others, and ultimately the site organisers, who will have to make the call on this going forward.

  • Members 3 posts
    April 3, 2023, 3:40 p.m.

    Er, I think they beat you to it - they're now the far more obscure Meta!

  • Members 164 posts
    April 3, 2023, 3:45 p.m.

    That kind of proves the point though, although they felt the need to change the overall company name to broaden its remit, they didn’t dare change the name of Facebook itself - and in reality “meta” hasn’t really stuck and most people still think of the whole thing as Facebook!

  • April 3, 2023, 3:51 p.m.

    My Q in the OP was legitimate, I have done a 180 in some and many respects (I work in parallel) - this doesn't mean a 150; it means 0 20 30 45 90 120 180. But that's just me, it's not normal to be that open (the abstract math world I'm involved with every day is beyond this stuff).

    So on balance, dpREVIVED IMO is good, though I'm not closing anything else out - and so I'm am very glad to have started this thread. Someone else would have anyway (and I'm not such a bad candidate).

  • April 4, 2023, 4:50 p.m.

    For me too.
    There is one more single-word variation, BTW - DPrevived. Subject to autocorrection sometimes :(
    If we separate dp and revived, then both parts can be in lower case, like dp revived.

    But recalling that good logo/name has to have some quirks, then dpREVIVED is better.

    Just for ideas, not a serious suggestion - we can start playing with mirrored letters too, like REVIVƎD or pǝʌıʌǝɹ dp or dp ɹǝʌıʌǝd and so on :)

  • April 4, 2023, 5:57 p.m.

    I tried mirrored letters, as there's an obvious centre around the 'I' between the two 'V's which in turn are between two 'E's. But I didn't see the point, it just made it harder to read and tricksy for no reason. All is on the back burner, ready to be brought forward if there is good reason.

    I think the dpREVIVED text-logo should be fairly simple, though maybe a bit more work is required to the base version I knocked up. Like, is .com also required? Should 'digital photography' be added above/below - to clarify the dp? Then there should be a graphic logo - more compact and abstract.

  • Members 511 posts
    April 4, 2023, 6:55 p.m.

    The never ending thread. lol
    As mentioned earlier, I think by lefteye, the three capital letters are not (immediately) comfortable on the eye.

    ‘Change is neither good or bad, it simply is’.
    Don Draper.
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