The arguments thread

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And there are other tools, rules and people that work against that danger. I believe you have this false premise that there is some model working as intended. No, people come in, try to change things, try to rock your boat, try to ruin stuff. But it is the presence of power, that guards these values, that has the same capabilities to harm as the evil party has. It´s absolutely inevitable. Without power structure, there still will be unstructured power, and you can absolutely forget about any safety.

I highly doubt that, and I witnessed the process many times.
I am not saying that it is what you are doing, but letting the fox into the hen house, because we discart history, that is great recipe for failure.
No interest in the current issue with a person, just responding to the thought process you laid out.
Although not having the right words, healthier "middle ground" is to be found.

Of course the vast majority of people would treat someone they never met before with respect.

But that is not the case here because Mako2011 is at least somewhat known to members through his interactions with them at dpreview. Therefore it is totally reasonable for members who have had dealings with Mako2011 to decide for themselves how much respect they will give him here on dprevived based on their experiences with him at dpreview should he decide to become a member here.

If I used your logic then that means just because I have never met DonaldB in person then I should respect him here at dprevived........yeah right 😉 ............I think hell will probably freeze over first 😊

Not in the case where I had no dealings at all with that person. See above.

In the case where members know Mako2011 through their dealings with him at dpreview and for whatever reason have little respect for him, then yes it is totally reasonable that Mako2011 would have to earn those members' respect back if he was interested in rebuilding bridges here on dprevived.

If they had reason to disrespect me from past experiences then I wouldn't be surprised. If I had never dealt with them before then it would reflect very poorly on them as a person.

I do?

I would like to hope so. You better do, before "tearing down" existing somewhat working structure. Having such premise would be just lack of thinking it through. Not having one looks to me much more dangerous than what admins here do.

All I can say after reading a bit of this thread, is by crikey some of you people know how to hold a grudge. Just remember, that's eating up only one person

Reply to OP should have been (and actually was): "He doesn't have any".
After that Admin. should ave closed this thread immediately.
We are supposed to be here to talk about PHOTOGRAPHY. Aren't we?

Yep, totally agree.

Posted earlier

Sorry I missed your reply. A side effect of the thread going too long. Again, it's time to stop it!

I would be a "reluctant" moderator 🙂 Are you sure you really would want me to moderate? 😎 😃

The moderators/facilitators need to be members who really want the role for the right reasons and not for some ego trip and/or power grab. They will need to actually believe in the forum rules and guidelines in how to apply them.

It's very clear to me that many members, including me, want to get away from the iron fist rule of some moderators on dpreview and any hint that the same type of moderation/facilitation has leaked/snuck into dprevived will not be tolerated and put up with by many here.

Don't agree. Locking it would be far too much like dpreview. Which is exactly what we are trying to move away from.

Once the op's question was answered, what would be the need to keep the thread open?

I sense from some of the posts that some members' perception of Bob has been tarnished since the thread was allowed to continue and there are other threads at the moment where members can let out their frustrations with Mako2011.

Yes that is true to some extent but in a conversation with Bob in a PM, at one stage I mentioned that imo the moderation pendulum at dprevived has swung too far in the opposite direction from where it was at dprevived.

DP Review at one time opened Off Topic forum to discuss anything not related to photography. After not long this forum became so nasty that DPR had to close it. But some people became forum pros making thousands if not tens of thousands posts. Now look here which threads gathered most posts. Why not to learn from other's mistakes rather than make same mistakes on your own?

None of that here.

You missed an important thing:
"This site value" is the leverage point that makes a huge difference.

(we, the people make the difference - and the Admins "no-ban, no-muting" policy)

The use of extra-extra large fonts in a post should be disallowed, it’s g’dam childish and arrogant.

and confirms their abusers' IQ is less than my age 😂

Large fonts should be used only for titles and section headings.