Danno, please step back a moment and consider what you've said. You're accusing one of the site founders of being conned into being a shill for a DPR moderator. If you take a step back and look at that accusation with some objectivity, you'll see how utterly absurd it is. There's no need and no justification to go there and hurl empty accusations at Bob.

If I were the subject of the personal attacks that have been made here over the last several weeks, I wouldn't respond publicly to them, either. We can and should be better than this.

It does no such thing. I treat every post on this matter as having been made from a position of openness and honesty. I don't doubt those who've openly complained. Nor do I doubt Bob's account of his interactions with the person in question.

However, DPRevived does not exist as a platform for the settling of old DPReview scores. If you disagree, please quote the language in the Terms of Service or the Member Guidelines where it says that DPRevived is a forum where DPReview moderators and members will be put on trial and punished for inappropriate conduct on that forum. I haven't found it, thank goodness. That's not the kind of community we're building, here.

I agree with you that this thread should be locked.

I'm of the opinion that Bob, Alan and the admin team have earned our trust and respect through the time and effort invested in creating the community and involving the membership in the creation of the TOS and member guidelines.

It is not at the discretion of a member of DPRevived to choose to treat any other forum member with disrespect. Per the Member Guidelines Bob has shared...

You may not post or upload content which is liable to cause harm or
distress to other people, including personal abuse and offensive
discourse targeting a group or an individual based on inherent
characteristics (such as race, religion or gender) and that might
threaten social peace.

This is much more complex. The last part is the UN definition of
'hate speech', which must very definitely be kept off the site under
all circumstances. Content that is liable to cause harm or distress
is clearly more of a judgment. As a site, we will make that judgment
and remove material that we believe falls the wrong side. We would
much prefer it if our members make an appropriate judgment for
themselves, so we don't have to. Here are some guidelines.

Be empathetic. Something that would cause you distress would be
likely to cause others distress -- so don't subject others to
behaviour that you would not want inflicted on you.

Be aware of the medium. In face to face interaction we get cues
that give us feedback about how other people are reacting to
what we say. We don't get that over the web. So, one person
might think they are making a joke, whilst the other might find
what is said is insulting. Err on the safe side.

Be culturally aware. What people find distressing differs, and
this is an international site. Profanity, nudity and content of
a sexual nature can all fall foul of this difference. The Web is
not short of places where these types of subject can be
indulged, so don't use this one. All it will do is make this a
place where a lot of people don't want to be.

Don't be nasty. There is no real reason to descend to abuse and
name calling, so don't do it. In the end it weakens your side of
the argument.

Argue constructively. Robust and interesting discussions are at
the heart of the reason people come to this kind of site, but
let's keep them constructive. If you disagree with someone,
state why you disagree, don't just keep contradicting -- that
just results in your interlocutor becoming irritated. Don't
resort to ad-hominem arguments. They are always fallacious and
don't improve the tone of the conversation. Don't take umbrage
because your opinion is disputed, that's what discussion is
about. Show respect for the other party -- you might think you
have more experience and know better, but you could easily be
wrong.

Don't participate in bullying. We know how it works in the
school yard, the gang picks on the guy with the unpopular
opinions. Don't do it here.

Be sympathetic. All types come to this forum, including people
from different backgrounds, different cultures, the
neuro-divergent and people with different life histories who
have been through traumas you don't know about. You may think
that their behaviour is unreasonable, but there may be many
reasons for it. Don't make the situation worse by picking
disputes even if you feel that the other party is.

This is what I am referring to when stating that all members deserve to be treated with respect. I'm not talking about holding their actions or opinions in high regard. I'm talking about observing at least a minimum degree of courteousness in all interactions. We don't criticize or debate the value of a person. Disagreement over opinions about photographic equipment, practices and the quality of a photo are, of course, allowed. One could argue those disagreements are encouraged. But the expectation is that no member will conduct themselves in a manner that could be construed as bullying or as targeting another person in a manner that would cause that person distress.

In short, no DPRevived member has a right to treat any other member in a disrespectful manner in the forums or through the site's IM tool.

Treating other members with respect simple means following the member guidelines. It has nothing to do with whether or not your like the person or agree with the opinions they express. Disliking a person is not justification for treating them in manner a reasonable person would construe as bullying or distressful in the forums or through the site's IM tool. Disagreeing with a stated opinion is also not justification for disrespectful treatment of another member.

We can disagree without being disagreeable.

You just have selective attention. There are people who can walk through a bank robbery and not notice a thing at all, because they live inside their head...

www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJG698U2Mvo

Extremely hard to follow your post with all the quotes, quotes within quotes, etc. However................

I'm starting to realize why the Bible (someone's bible) says that the meek will inherit the earth. We, the non-meek, have tied ourselves up by pansying around with wording to not offend anyone, we've made it so vague, that all someone has to say is "this offends me" or "that offends me" and everything gets shut down to accommodate the meek, which in most cases is a "feign meek"

An old buddy of mine had a saying for dealing with those types "F^@# 'em if they can't take a joke."

Wording such as "You may not post or upload content which is liable to cause harm or distress to other people", "one person might think they are making a joke, whilst the other might find what is said is insulting." "Be sympathetic." Now while all this is pretty and tidy, it will be abused by people who've never grown any balls, you won't be able to speak without someone using it against you, hence the need for "facilitators" which to me has connotations of someone leading you to the gallows, gas chamber or whatever.

And light moderation as DPReview called it will turn into Kim Jong Un moderation. The couple of people here that I might say went too far when speaking to Bob should get a gentle reminder by PM to tone it down, if you're going to ban anyone ban the ones coming here saying I never had a problem with Mako (as if well I just don't belief anyone possibly could), anoint a supreme ruler, as nothing will run by consensus, and just get on with it.

TOShooter, go jump off the Bloor Viaduct.

The right person and you'd be in court. :) :) :)

They put up a barrier to keep me in (and Mother Nature out)

Insert eyeroll here...

Bit over the top there Bill, and I say that with the utmost respect, in case it triggers an inner snowflake in you.

I think you are the one who is over the top here. The name of this site is not DPRevenge

Wanting to close 'open discussion' over a topic that produces discomfort for some is not a valid argument. People do not want DPReplication!

We need a separate forum called dprevenge.com.

The future of OUR forum "the photografer's forum"
That is @bobn2 hammering the differences

@bobn2, More than that, it's about the core values of this community.
and..

I'm fighting for speech and also for Char's dimensions freedom!!!

from small

to big !!!

You said something of the kind that if you have to have a list of people to have as mods, he would not be near the bottom of that list or similar.

I would have never replied to his email/PM, as simple as that.

BTW, the police in totalitarian states are very good in dealing with petty crime.