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The Beginners Questions Area

MarshallG
April 11, 2023
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    DonaldB
    Members 2419 posts
    April 28, 2023, 9:47 p.m. April 28, 2023, 9:47 p.m.
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    @IliahBorg has written:
    @DonaldB has written:

    its not my problem

    Please explain what Bill is doing wrong:
    www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR_Shadow.htm#Sony%20ILCE-7M4

    bills graphs show that the a6300 has less read noise than the a74 , thats not what ive experienced.

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    SrMi
    Members 457 posts
    April 28, 2023, 9:58 p.m. April 28, 2023, 9:58 p.m.
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    @DonaldB has written:
    @IliahBorg has written:
    @DonaldB has written:

    its not my problem

    Please explain what Bill is doing wrong:
    www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR_Shadow.htm#Sony%20ILCE-7M4

    bills graphs show that the a6300 has less read noise than the a74 , thats not what ive experienced.

    Why? How have you experienced read noise difference?

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    IliahBorg
    Members 976 posts
    April 28, 2023, 9:59 p.m. April 28, 2023, 9:59 p.m.
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    @DonaldB has written:
    @IliahBorg has written:
    @DonaldB has written:

    its not my problem

    Please explain what Bill is doing wrong:
    www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR_Shadow.htm#Sony%20ILCE-7M4

    bills graphs show that the a6300 has less read noise than the a74 , thats not what ive experienced.

    I'm asking about www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR_Shadow.htm#Sony%20ILCE-7M4 - specifically.
    Don't look at other graphs or comparisons, it's too early, you need to come to grips with fundamentals first.

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    DonaldB
    Members 2419 posts
    April 28, 2023, 10:11 p.m. April 28, 2023, 10:11 p.m.
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    @IliahBorg has written:
    @DonaldB has written:
    @IliahBorg has written:
    @DonaldB has written:

    its not my problem

    Please explain what Bill is doing wrong:
    www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR_Shadow.htm#Sony%20ILCE-7M4

    bills graphs show that the a6300 has less read noise than the a74 , thats not what ive experienced.

    I'm asking about www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR_Shadow.htm#Sony%20ILCE-7M4 - specifically.
    Don't look at other graphs or comparisons, it's too early, you need to come to grips with fundamentals first.

    all good i found the graph ,that i apparently couldnt the other night.

    [Screenshot 2023-04-29 080840.jpg]
    (/a/705krRdqxOkDmlVSJ2V9XcC87NNp9lKsPa4Ga1Pa5JVgFbhgYyYU1dOEuDt0TcVG/5882/?shva=1)

    Screenshot 2023-04-29 080733.jpg

    Screenshot 2023-04-29 080840.jpg

    JPG, 404.3 KB, uploaded by DonaldB on April 28, 2023.

    Screenshot 2023-04-29 080733.jpg

    JPG, 338.9 KB, uploaded by DonaldB on April 28, 2023.

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    JimKasson
    Members 1738 posts
    April 28, 2023, 10:17 p.m. April 28, 2023, 10:17 p.m.
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    @DonaldB has written:
    @IliahBorg has written:
    @DonaldB has written:
    @IliahBorg has written:
    @DonaldB has written:

    its not my problem

    Please explain what Bill is doing wrong:
    www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR_Shadow.htm#Sony%20ILCE-7M4

    bills graphs show that the a6300 has less read noise than the a74 , thats not what ive experienced.

    I'm asking about www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR_Shadow.htm#Sony%20ILCE-7M4 - specifically.
    Don't look at other graphs or comparisons, it's too early, you need to come to grips with fundamentals first.

    all good i found the graph ,that i apparently couldnt the other night.

    [Screenshot 2023-04-29 080840.jpg]
    (/a/705krRdqxOkDmlVSJ2V9XcC87NNp9lKsPa4Ga1Pa5JVgFbhgYyYU1dOEuDt0TcVG/5882/?shva=1)

    Screenshot 2023-04-29 080733.jpg

    Neither of those is corrected for resolution. That's not Bill's problem, but if you would apply the appropriate corrections it might explain what you're seeing in your images.

    Oh, never mind. Those two cameras have the same resolution.

    Also, are you sure you're looking at RN in your images and not shot noise? I think that's worth your looking at.

    Also, pay attention to the open symbols.

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    IliahBorg
    Members 976 posts
    April 28, 2023, 10:20 p.m. April 28, 2023, 10:20 p.m.
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    @DonaldB has written:
    @IliahBorg has written:
    @DonaldB has written:
    @IliahBorg has written:
    @DonaldB has written:

    its not my problem

    Please explain what Bill is doing wrong:
    www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR_Shadow.htm#Sony%20ILCE-7M4

    bills graphs show that the a6300 has less read noise than the a74 , thats not what ive experienced.

    I'm asking about www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR_Shadow.htm#Sony%20ILCE-7M4 - specifically.
    Don't look at other graphs or comparisons, it's too early, you need to come to grips with fundamentals first.

    all good i found the graph ,that i apparently couldnt the other night.

    [Screenshot 2023-04-29 080840.jpg]
    (/a/705krRdqxOkDmlVSJ2V9XcC87NNp9lKsPa4Ga1Pa5JVgFbhgYyYU1dOEuDt0TcVG/5882/?shva=1)

    Screenshot 2023-04-29 080733.jpg

    I'll repeat my question:

    @IliahBorg has written:

    Please explain what Bill is doing wrong:
    www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR_Shadow.htm#Sony%20ILCE-7M4

    And post the raw files already.

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    DonaldB
    Members 2419 posts
    April 28, 2023, 10:48 p.m. April 28, 2023, 10:48 p.m.
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    @JimKasson has written:
    @DonaldB has written:
    @IliahBorg has written:
    @DonaldB has written:
    @IliahBorg has written:
    @DonaldB has written:

    its not my problem

    Please explain what Bill is doing wrong:
    www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR_Shadow.htm#Sony%20ILCE-7M4

    bills graphs show that the a6300 has less read noise than the a74 , thats not what ive experienced.

    I'm asking about www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR_Shadow.htm#Sony%20ILCE-7M4 - specifically.
    Don't look at other graphs or comparisons, it's too early, you need to come to grips with fundamentals first.

    all good i found the graph ,that i apparently couldnt the other night.

    [Screenshot 2023-04-29 080840.jpg]
    (/a/705krRdqxOkDmlVSJ2V9XcC87NNp9lKsPa4Ga1Pa5JVgFbhgYyYU1dOEuDt0TcVG/5882/?shva=1)

    Screenshot 2023-04-29 080733.jpg

    Neither of those is corrected for resolution. That's not Bill's problem, but if you would apply the appropriate corrections it might explain what you're seeing in your images.

    Oh, never mind. Those two cameras have the same resolution.

    Also, are you sure you're looking at RN in your images and not shot noise? I think that's worth your looking at.

    Also, pay attention to the open symbols.

    i can shoot the a74 in crop mode it still produces a cleaner image, will do some tests toninght when its dark and i can stretch the DR to max.

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    DonaldB
    Members 2419 posts
    April 28, 2023, 10:49 p.m. April 28, 2023, 10:49 p.m.
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    @IliahBorg has written:
    @DonaldB has written:
    @IliahBorg has written:
    @DonaldB has written:
    @IliahBorg has written:
    @DonaldB has written:

    its not my problem

    Please explain what Bill is doing wrong:
    www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR_Shadow.htm#Sony%20ILCE-7M4

    bills graphs show that the a6300 has less read noise than the a74 , thats not what ive experienced.

    I'm asking about www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR_Shadow.htm#Sony%20ILCE-7M4 - specifically.
    Don't look at other graphs or comparisons, it's too early, you need to come to grips with fundamentals first.

    all good i found the graph ,that i apparently couldnt the other night.

    [Screenshot 2023-04-29 080840.jpg]
    (/a/705krRdqxOkDmlVSJ2V9XcC87NNp9lKsPa4Ga1Pa5JVgFbhgYyYU1dOEuDt0TcVG/5882/?shva=1)

    Screenshot 2023-04-29 080733.jpg

    I'll repeat my question:

    @IliahBorg has written:

    Please explain what Bill is doing wrong:
    www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR_Shadow.htm#Sony%20ILCE-7M4

    And post the raw files already.

    will post some raw links tonight when its dark so i can stretch the DR to max

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    IliahBorg
    Members 976 posts
    April 29, 2023, 1:08 a.m. April 29, 2023, 1:08 a.m.
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    @DonaldB has written:

    will post some raw links tonight when its dark so i can stretch the DR to max

    No. These ones, from previous:
    dprevived.com/media/attachments/e8/5d/1jMe9EhrHCA4OoBQ5oWKI9zeaumQm1zgY5t2kCv7VJOj7I52EIafAuum0CcoZl4Z/test-shot-noise.jpg

    IanSForsyth likes this.

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    DonaldB
    Members 2419 posts
    April 29, 2023, 2:07 a.m. April 29, 2023, 2:07 a.m.
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    @IliahBorg has written:
    @DonaldB has written:

    will post some raw links tonight when its dark so i can stretch the DR to max

    No. These ones, from previous:
    dprevived.com/media/attachments/e8/5d/1jMe9EhrHCA4OoBQ5oWKI9zeaumQm1zgY5t2kCv7VJOj7I52EIafAuum0CcoZl4Z/test-shot-noise.jpg

    just sent link via PM, please do not share but post your converted cropped images for discussion.

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    IliahBorg
    Members 976 posts
    April 29, 2023, 2:04 p.m. April 29, 2023, 2:04 p.m.
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    @DonaldB has written:
    @IliahBorg has written:
    @DonaldB has written:

    will post some raw links tonight when its dark so i can stretch the DR to max

    No. These ones, from previous:
    dprevived.com/media/attachments/e8/5d/1jMe9EhrHCA4OoBQ5oWKI9zeaumQm1zgY5t2kCv7VJOj7I52EIafAuum0CcoZl4Z/test-shot-noise.jpg

    just sent link via PM, please do not share but post your converted cropped images for discussion.

    Facts and experiments are discussed publicly and in a fully transparent manner.
    I'm refusing to download the images that are the subject of discussion here if I can't share them.
    Limiting the discussion to converted crops is also unacceptable.

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    DonaldB
    Members 2419 posts
    April 29, 2023, 9:19 p.m. April 29, 2023, 9:19 p.m.
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    @IliahBorg has written:
    @DonaldB has written:
    @IliahBorg has written:
    @DonaldB has written:

    will post some raw links tonight when its dark so i can stretch the DR to max

    No. These ones, from previous:
    dprevived.com/media/attachments/e8/5d/1jMe9EhrHCA4OoBQ5oWKI9zeaumQm1zgY5t2kCv7VJOj7I52EIafAuum0CcoZl4Z/test-shot-noise.jpg

    just sent link via PM, please do not share but post your converted cropped images for discussion.

    Facts and experiments are discussed publicly and in a fully transparent manner.
    I'm refusing to download the images that are the subject of discussion here if I can't share them.
    Limiting the discussion to converted crops is also unacceptable.

    All good, you have just confirmed the images i posted were the real thing. No need to discuss this further. 🙄

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    DonaldB
    Members 2419 posts
    April 29, 2023, 9:42 p.m. April 29, 2023, 9:42 p.m.
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    examples of how to crop and post comparisons for discussion
    gh6 a6300 video.JPG
    a6300 om1.JPG
    a6300 gh6.JPG
    a7s2 vers a7s3.JPG

    gh6 a6300 video.JPG

    JPG, 374.6 KB, uploaded by DonaldB on April 29, 2023.

    a6300 gh6.JPG

    JPG, 280.9 KB, uploaded by DonaldB on April 29, 2023.

    a6300 om1.JPG

    JPG, 762.2 KB, uploaded by DonaldB on April 29, 2023.

    a7s2 vers a7s3.JPG

    JPG, 506.3 KB, uploaded by DonaldB on April 29, 2023.

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    IliahBorg
    Members 976 posts
    April 29, 2023, 9:49 p.m. April 29, 2023, 9:49 p.m.
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    @DonaldB has written:

    you have just confirmed the images i posted were the real thing

    I haven't even looked at them.

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    DonaldB
    Members 2419 posts
    April 29, 2023, 10:14 p.m. April 29, 2023, 10:14 p.m.
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    @IliahBorg has written:
    @DonaldB has written:

    you have just confirmed the images i posted were the real thing

    I haven't even looked at them.

    🙄
    anyone else want to play ?
    iso 100 a74
    14 stops 1.jpg
    iso 4000
    14 stop.jpg

    14 stops 1.jpg

    JPG, 71.9 KB, uploaded by DonaldB on April 29, 2023.

    14 stop.jpg

    JPG, 62.2 KB, uploaded by DonaldB on April 29, 2023.

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    DanHasLeftForum
    Members 4254 posts
    April 30, 2023, 1:23 a.m. April 30, 2023, 1:23 a.m.
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    @DonaldB has written:
    @IliahBorg has written:
    @DonaldB has written:
    @IliahBorg has written:
    @DonaldB has written:

    will post some raw links tonight when its dark so i can stretch the DR to max

    No. These ones, from previous:
    dprevived.com/media/attachments/e8/5d/1jMe9EhrHCA4OoBQ5oWKI9zeaumQm1zgY5t2kCv7VJOj7I52EIafAuum0CcoZl4Z/test-shot-noise.jpg

    just sent link via PM, please do not share but post your converted cropped images for discussion.

    Facts and experiments are discussed publicly and in a fully transparent manner.
    I'm refusing to download the images that are the subject of discussion here if I can't share them.
    Limiting the discussion to converted crops is also unacceptable.

    All good, you have just confirmed the images i posted were the real thing. No need to discuss this further. 🙄

    This is just another example to add to the list of where you have deliberately not told the truth in these forums because he hasn't proven anything about whatever you sent him since he hasn't even downloaded them 🙂

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    DanHasLeftForum
    Members 4254 posts
    April 30, 2023, 1:24 a.m. April 30, 2023, 1:24 a.m.
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    @DonaldB has written:

    anyone else want to play ?

    Post the raw files that those histograms relate to.

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    DonaldB
    Members 2419 posts
    April 30, 2023, 2:09 a.m. April 30, 2023, 2:09 a.m.
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    @DannoLeftForums has written:
    @DonaldB has written:

    anyone else want to play ?

    Post the raw files that those histograms relate to.

    Mr Borg has them, they are the histograms from the images i posted earlier from my a74, I even sent him some identical raws from my a6300 as well as they also show similar results. Nothing for you to concern yourself about , he is extremely capable of using editing programs.

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