bills graphs show that the a6300 has less read noise than the a74 , thats not what ive experienced.
bills graphs show that the a6300 has less read noise than the a74 , thats not what ive experienced.
@IliahBorg has written: @DonaldB has written:its not my problem
Please explain what Bill is doing wrong:
www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR_Shadow.htm#Sony%20ILCE-7M4bills graphs show that the a6300 has less read noise than the a74 , thats not what ive experienced.
Why? How have you experienced read noise difference?
@IliahBorg has written: @DonaldB has written:its not my problem
Please explain what Bill is doing wrong:
www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR_Shadow.htm#Sony%20ILCE-7M4bills graphs show that the a6300 has less read noise than the a74 , thats not what ive experienced.
I'm asking about www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR_Shadow.htm#Sony%20ILCE-7M4 - specifically.
Don't look at other graphs or comparisons, it's too early, you need to come to grips with fundamentals first.
@DonaldB has written: @IliahBorg has written: @DonaldB has written:its not my problem
Please explain what Bill is doing wrong:
www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR_Shadow.htm#Sony%20ILCE-7M4bills graphs show that the a6300 has less read noise than the a74 , thats not what ive experienced.
I'm asking about www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR_Shadow.htm#Sony%20ILCE-7M4 - specifically.
Don't look at other graphs or comparisons, it's too early, you need to come to grips with fundamentals first.
all good i found the graph ,that i apparently couldnt the other night.
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@IliahBorg has written: @DonaldB has written: @IliahBorg has written: @DonaldB has written:its not my problem
Please explain what Bill is doing wrong:
www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR_Shadow.htm#Sony%20ILCE-7M4bills graphs show that the a6300 has less read noise than the a74 , thats not what ive experienced.
I'm asking about www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR_Shadow.htm#Sony%20ILCE-7M4 - specifically.
Don't look at other graphs or comparisons, it's too early, you need to come to grips with fundamentals first.all good i found the graph ,that i apparently couldnt the other night.
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Neither of those is corrected for resolution. That's not Bill's problem, but if you would apply the appropriate corrections it might explain what you're seeing in your images.
Oh, never mind. Those two cameras have the same resolution.
Also, are you sure you're looking at RN in your images and not shot noise? I think that's worth your looking at.
Also, pay attention to the open symbols.
@IliahBorg has written: @DonaldB has written: @IliahBorg has written: @DonaldB has written:its not my problem
Please explain what Bill is doing wrong:
www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR_Shadow.htm#Sony%20ILCE-7M4bills graphs show that the a6300 has less read noise than the a74 , thats not what ive experienced.
I'm asking about www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR_Shadow.htm#Sony%20ILCE-7M4 - specifically.
Don't look at other graphs or comparisons, it's too early, you need to come to grips with fundamentals first.all good i found the graph ,that i apparently couldnt the other night.
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I'll repeat my question:
Please explain what Bill is doing wrong:
www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR_Shadow.htm#Sony%20ILCE-7M4
And post the raw files already.
@DonaldB has written: @IliahBorg has written: @DonaldB has written: @IliahBorg has written: @DonaldB has written:its not my problem
Please explain what Bill is doing wrong:
www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR_Shadow.htm#Sony%20ILCE-7M4bills graphs show that the a6300 has less read noise than the a74 , thats not what ive experienced.
I'm asking about www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR_Shadow.htm#Sony%20ILCE-7M4 - specifically.
Don't look at other graphs or comparisons, it's too early, you need to come to grips with fundamentals first.all good i found the graph ,that i apparently couldnt the other night.
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(/a/705krRdqxOkDmlVSJ2V9XcC87NNp9lKsPa4Ga1Pa5JVgFbhgYyYU1dOEuDt0TcVG/5882/?shva=1)Neither of those is corrected for resolution. That's not Bill's problem, but if you would apply the appropriate corrections it might explain what you're seeing in your images.
Oh, never mind. Those two cameras have the same resolution.
Also, are you sure you're looking at RN in your images and not shot noise? I think that's worth your looking at.
Also, pay attention to the open symbols.
i can shoot the a74 in crop mode it still produces a cleaner image, will do some tests toninght when its dark and i can stretch the DR to max.
@DonaldB has written: @IliahBorg has written: @DonaldB has written: @IliahBorg has written: @DonaldB has written:its not my problem
Please explain what Bill is doing wrong:
www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR_Shadow.htm#Sony%20ILCE-7M4bills graphs show that the a6300 has less read noise than the a74 , thats not what ive experienced.
I'm asking about www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR_Shadow.htm#Sony%20ILCE-7M4 - specifically.
Don't look at other graphs or comparisons, it's too early, you need to come to grips with fundamentals first.all good i found the graph ,that i apparently couldnt the other night.
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(/a/705krRdqxOkDmlVSJ2V9XcC87NNp9lKsPa4Ga1Pa5JVgFbhgYyYU1dOEuDt0TcVG/5882/?shva=1)I'll repeat my question:
@IliahBorg has written:Please explain what Bill is doing wrong:
www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR_Shadow.htm#Sony%20ILCE-7M4And post the raw files already.
will post some raw links tonight when its dark so i can stretch the DR to max
will post some raw links tonight when its dark so i can stretch the DR to max
No. These ones, from previous:
dprevived.com/media/attachments/e8/5d/1jMe9EhrHCA4OoBQ5oWKI9zeaumQm1zgY5t2kCv7VJOj7I52EIafAuum0CcoZl4Z/test-shot-noise.jpg
@DonaldB has written:will post some raw links tonight when its dark so i can stretch the DR to max
No. These ones, from previous:
dprevived.com/media/attachments/e8/5d/1jMe9EhrHCA4OoBQ5oWKI9zeaumQm1zgY5t2kCv7VJOj7I52EIafAuum0CcoZl4Z/test-shot-noise.jpg
just sent link via PM, please do not share but post your converted cropped images for discussion.
@IliahBorg has written: @DonaldB has written:will post some raw links tonight when its dark so i can stretch the DR to max
No. These ones, from previous:
dprevived.com/media/attachments/e8/5d/1jMe9EhrHCA4OoBQ5oWKI9zeaumQm1zgY5t2kCv7VJOj7I52EIafAuum0CcoZl4Z/test-shot-noise.jpgjust sent link via PM, please do not share but post your converted cropped images for discussion.
Facts and experiments are discussed publicly and in a fully transparent manner.
I'm refusing to download the images that are the subject of discussion here if I can't share them.
Limiting the discussion to converted crops is also unacceptable.
@DonaldB has written: @IliahBorg has written: @DonaldB has written:will post some raw links tonight when its dark so i can stretch the DR to max
No. These ones, from previous:
dprevived.com/media/attachments/e8/5d/1jMe9EhrHCA4OoBQ5oWKI9zeaumQm1zgY5t2kCv7VJOj7I52EIafAuum0CcoZl4Z/test-shot-noise.jpgjust sent link via PM, please do not share but post your converted cropped images for discussion.
Facts and experiments are discussed publicly and in a fully transparent manner.
I'm refusing to download the images that are the subject of discussion here if I can't share them.
Limiting the discussion to converted crops is also unacceptable.
All good, you have just confirmed the images i posted were the real thing. No need to discuss this further. 🙄
you have just confirmed the images i posted were the real thing
I haven't even looked at them.
@DonaldB has written:you have just confirmed the images i posted were the real thing
I haven't even looked at them.
@IliahBorg has written: @DonaldB has written: @IliahBorg has written: @DonaldB has written:will post some raw links tonight when its dark so i can stretch the DR to max
No. These ones, from previous:
dprevived.com/media/attachments/e8/5d/1jMe9EhrHCA4OoBQ5oWKI9zeaumQm1zgY5t2kCv7VJOj7I52EIafAuum0CcoZl4Z/test-shot-noise.jpgjust sent link via PM, please do not share but post your converted cropped images for discussion.
Facts and experiments are discussed publicly and in a fully transparent manner.
I'm refusing to download the images that are the subject of discussion here if I can't share them.
Limiting the discussion to converted crops is also unacceptable.All good, you have just confirmed the images i posted were the real thing. No need to discuss this further. 🙄
This is just another example to add to the list of where you have deliberately not told the truth in these forums because he hasn't proven anything about whatever you sent him since he hasn't even downloaded them 🙂
anyone else want to play ?
Post the raw files that those histograms relate to.
@DonaldB has written:anyone else want to play ?
Post the raw files that those histograms relate to.
Mr Borg has them, they are the histograms from the images i posted earlier from my a74, I even sent him some identical raws from my a6300 as well as they also show similar results. Nothing for you to concern yourself about , he is extremely capable of using editing programs.