"The proper exposure"

Deleted by me since Bob offered to put himself in the Dumpster (though it hasn't happened yet)

YOU ARE MY HERO maybe this place isn't doomed after all.

interesting read .
The white balance tolerance applies to all the Digital ColorChecker SG and UTT neutrals.
In the high lights a white balance deviation is more damaging than in the darker areas.
In these guidelines the white balance tolerance is described in two ways:
- ΔC ≤ 2
- In 8 bit pixel values the difference between all three RGB channels may not exceed +3 and
-3. This applies to all color spaces.
If the white balance is not properly set then color cast may occur. Color cast in the frame
may also occur if flashes or lamps are used with a different color temperature or because
a color is reflected in the surroundings. Color cast may not occur in the frame.
One may speak of color cast if the measured value, shown in ΔC or in 8 bit pixel values,
exceeds the white balance tolerance value set in this document. Color cast must in the
first place be assessed by measuring the Digital ColorChecker SG and UTT neutrals.
Additionally, color cast can also be assessed in the mini ColorChecker and Scanner
Reference Chart neutrals. Also, the white cardboard included to assess exposure can be
used as well.

 Color space
 Bit depth

metamorfoze
eciRGBv2
16/8 bit
metamorfoze light
eciRGBv2/
Adobe RGB (1998)
8 bit
metamorfoze extra light
eciRGBv2/Adobe RGB
(1998)/ Gray Gamma 2,2
8 bit
Metamorfoze Preservation Imaging Guidelines | Image Quality, Version 1.0, January 2012 | 19
In Photoshop the Lab* values and the 8 bit pixel values can be measured using the
eyedropper tool. The minimum setting for the eyedropper tool is 11 x 11 pixels.
For gray scale files assessment of the white balance is not applicable.

Ha ha. The last photo was a f#(kup. Was riding the luge with my Sister, Bro in law, nieces and nephews, I thought I had gotten far enough ahead to pull over, jump out and snap a shot or two as they zapped past, but didn't quite have the time. Simply pointed the camera and pressed the shutter. Even though I missed the "proper"exposure, I still liked the shot. Most people wouldn't. Which gets back to my original point, it's more what makes you happy, rather than others. Unless of course, you're trying to turn a profit from sales of said images.
A few more examples. Which is the correct exposure? Shutter cranked up like this

Or rolled back like this?

Or this

Or this

Titles don't interest me. Original thinking does.

One of my favorite photos was made when I literally had 1-second to decide what to do.

I heard the cat break from cover and saw it leap across the trail. Instinct took over, I raised the camera and fired a 1-second burst while panning to follow him sprinting through the forest. This is the one photo in which the cat is fully visible and in focus. It's a butt shot, the background is too busy and the lighting is uneven. There's almost nothing "right" about it other than the photo documents a moment that I shall always treasure.

Keep making photos that please you. But don't make assumptions about what other photographers or people like. You have no idea.

the "proper exposure" is the exposure what reflect your imagination of the scene the closest. simple as that !

Good to see someone actually posting examples instead of just SPV!

Depending on what you mean by ETTR. If you mean "as much to the right as is possible without blowing wanted highlight detail", then of course that could be to the left of a "standard" exposure for the ISO setting, and you could get darker JPEGs, but if "ETTR" means more to the right than standard exposure, then that wouldn't be possible. I suspect that many people think of the latter when they hear or read "ETTR".

You might be missing the point that you have more room to sharpen when you collect more light. It's always better to start out with more SNR than to try to simulate it with noise reduction. For the 3.2um pixels in my Canon 90D and R7, exposing for ISO 40 with the ISO 100 setting opens up the potential for much more pixel-level sharpening without sharpening noise past the threshold of high visibility. With certain subject matter, where there are no bright tones, one can sometimes expose for 25% the stated ISO or even lower.

Sure, sensors and de-noise apps are getting better and better, so there is less to "worry about", but if you want the very best SNR as a starting point, you want to maximize exposure.

If anything, with ETTR the OOC JPEGs tend to look brighter. If a JPEG looks darker, most likely that means the dynamic range of the camera is narrower than that of the scene. Then you have to do either exposure bracketing, or sacrifice more of the highlights, or accept it as is and adjust the tone curve in post. Either way the brightness of the OCC JPEGs is not something to worry about when ETTRing.

They're both the same exposure. However, one may be acceptable while the other is not.

What determines acceptability is the compatibility of the settings used to produce an exposure with the creative goals of the photographer. An exposure can be unacceptable if the settings used don't achieve the photographer's creative goals.

One photographer might prefer the greater depth of field at f/8. Another may prefer the rendering of movement at 1/200-second exposure time.

If a photographer can achieve their creative goals at either collection of settings, then both exposures are the same and equally acceptable.

Sorry, been away from this fascinating thread thread this evening.

So, by now, does everybody here know what histogram we're exposing-to-the-right of? Finding it hard to believe that it's for example the tiny live luminosity one that shows up on my Panasonic LCD while I wave it around the scene ...

get off your high horse. i owned a charter Yacht with reef wide research + education permits. lived, swam and sailed the reef for 20 years and was a member of reef
research publication. what did you do play rubber duckies in the bath tub.

go watch the local news. you live in australia dont you ?

He he he. I love the way this thread brings out the passive aggressive's, furiously mashing the like button on any post that sympathises with their own point of view. Hilarious to watch. Good work Donald. Seriously :)

can you beleive these guys , they all think they are gods gift to man kind.