Thank you for your opinion ArvoJ.
Obviously I see and interpret images differently to you.
I have no issue with that.
Thank you for your opinion ArvoJ.
Obviously I see and interpret images differently to you.
I have no issue with that.
@DanHasLeftForum has written: @Rich42 has written:I did have the kid's feet in the frame, but to get them in the rotated final image I would have had to "create" surrounding image to fill in beyond the rotated crop margin.
That would be one option.
An easier option is to use Transform in Ps on the rotated image and lift up the bottom right hand corner with a suitable anchor point. No need to fill in anything.
Nice adjustment.
Thank you 🙂
@DanHasLeftForum has written: @Rich42 has written:I did have the kid's feet in the frame, but to get them in the rotated final image I would have had to "create" surrounding image to fill in beyond the rotated crop margin.
That would be one option.
An easier option is to use Transform in Ps on the rotated image and lift up the bottom right hand corner with a suitable anchor point. No need to fill in anything.
Nice adjustment.
No.
I wouldn’t choose to do that. In this case, there’s nothing in that area of the image to reveal the distortion created. But that’s just accidental.
Rich
@minniev has written: @DanHasLeftForum has written: @Rich42 has written:I did have the kid's feet in the frame, but to get them in the rotated final image I would have had to "create" surrounding image to fill in beyond the rotated crop margin.
That would be one option.
An easier option is to use Transform in Ps on the rotated image and lift up the bottom right hand corner with a suitable anchor point. No need to fill in anything.
Nice adjustment.
No.
I wouldn’t choose to do that. In this case, there’s nothing in that area of the image to reveal the distortion created. But that’s just accidental.
Rich
You can add/remove pretty much whatever distortion you like in something like Ps.
@minniev has written: @DanHasLeftForum has written: @Rich42 has written:I did have the kid's feet in the frame, but to get them in the rotated final image I would have had to "create" surrounding image to fill in beyond the rotated crop margin.
That would be one option.
An easier option is to use Transform in Ps on the rotated image and lift up the bottom right hand corner with a suitable anchor point. No need to fill in anything.
Nice adjustment.
Thank you 🙂
Actually, No Thank You.
Please don’t edit my images. Ever.
Rich
@DanHasLeftForum has written: @minniev has written: @DanHasLeftForum has written:Lake Taihu, Turtle Head Peninsula, Wuxi, China
A nicely composed shot an interesting scene. Somehow the colors of the left half (yellow and orange tones) seem to clash with the colors of the right half (blue and green tones), reminding me of odd prints from old film cameras where something went awry in the developing. With some color adjustment, this could be a very nice image.
Thank you minniev.
The "clash" of colours is what I aimed for so I'm glad that part worked. I wanted to highlight the foreground and then gradually move to a "soothing" background.
Maintaining total reality was a low priority for this version.
However, I suspect that the colours you are seeing on your screen are not exactly the same as I am seeing on my screen for obvious well documented reasons.
On my screen the image and its colours look good and how I want them to look.
All well and good if it's how you want the colors to look. But let's don't assume that anyone who doesn't care for your color choices has a faulty monitor. This image, like others of yours whose color treatment some have found disconcerting, looks exactly the same on multiple monitors at my house - my calibrated desktop monitor, my husband's laptop monitor, two iPad screens and a phone. And- when I got stuck in the Apple store for an hour waiting for my new iPad to be activated few days ago, I logged into the forum and out of curiosity looked at it on a bank of new Apple monitors, and it looked the same on them too. It is not a calibration issue. It is simply your preference, and that is fine. Your images, your choice. We all have our creative freedom.
I don't assume everyone has faulty monitors.
I question the calibration and profiling of people's monitors only when they suggest the colours they see are somehow wrong or that something has gone awry with the editing.
A given image obviously will not render exactly the same on every screen and the differences can be significant when monitors are not calibrated or improperly, if at all, profiled.
I set up my images to look good and how I want on my particular screens. How they end up looking on other people's screens is obviously beyond my control.
@ArvoJ has written:You told Mike:
@DanHasLeftForum has written:It seems to me you are very sensitive to opinions of your images that are not aligned to yours.
Now a little test for your sensitivity:
@DanHasLeftForum has written:At least some basic quick straightening helps a lot by removing the very distracting and unrealistic distortions.
You have got real talent to ruin [sometimes even not so great] images 🙃
Thank you for your opinion ArvoJ.
Obviously I see and interpret images differently to you.
I have no issue with that.
You say you interpret images differently. Fair enough. I have noticed some moments in your comments recently where you have made some attempts to discuss the meaning in an image. Good. Let's continue. I previously explained what I tried to do with this shot. Do you think your adjustment has altered the concept of the image in any way?
@Bryan has written:I have a title - can be seen in the
FloraFauna thread. What would yours be?Glasswings
That's a pretty type of B&W butterfly. Their eyes match the background colour nicely here !
Title? ,...
... well not sure myself, but Chat GTP proposed "Dual Elegance: A Moment Shared",
hmmm?
Maybe "Two for One"?
Love the image.
How the two butterflies seem to be one, if glanced casually.
Well, you have certainly caught them in act, being fight, love or play. Clarity of a shot is amazing.
Maybe 'Siamese Twins"
Or maybe "Who's the fairest?" As if looking in a mirror, perhaps.
The beauty of true love. They look like they are doing ballroom dancing. Delicate threadlike "hands" gently touching. Wonderful capture with rich texture, soft pastels, nicely blurred background, but the best part is the dance.
I Can Make You A Star.
The inverted heart shape is appropriate for my cynical title suggestion. Lots of fine detail and that's always a plus with insect photography. The hint of stalk, bottom right, is just right to give visual balance to the right hand side of the image which otherwise would have lacked information.
Very nice 👍
Thanks for all the comments.
My title, from what I saw first glance, was Communication. Lovers, or friendly neighbours chatting over the fence. Also their antennae made me think of a cartoon with aliens communicating through them. It was only because I had that feeling about communication that I processed it. The pics didn't look too good out of the box - overcast and under the tree canopy.
The winner has to be minniev who took it a lot further and saw ballroom dancing. Intriguing what we can see in a pic when we can be objective.
Mike, yes. I don't like to crop too hard and prefer to leave other elements in a pic if suitable, especially grass in this type of situation. The only reason I cropped that far was because the grass on the left was almost white further down and there was a dry dead piece just under the butterflies.
@MikeFewster has written: @RoelHendrickx has written:LAZIO, ITALY
An image from almost nine years ago, on New Year's Eve 2015 in Lazio, Italy.
Sunset on the shore of one of the lakes in that area (I don't even remember which one exactly).We were in Lazio to spend the last days of 2015 and the first of 2016 in our favorite country.
For the evening and midnight, we had booked a table (well, not really a private table, but two places at a long communal table) in a cute winebar in Viterbo, where we were staying. The winebar organized a wintery barbeque with outdoor seating, good simple food and great wines
It was a place we had found in "Osterie d'Italia" the guide of "Slow Food Editore", the Italian version of a culinary guide, but with emphasis on local produce and reasonable prices (if a restaurant becomes too expensive, it gets kicked out of the guide).
I remember we had a wonderful evening there, meeting new people (a former Italian soccer goalkeeper turned soccer manager and team coach, and his younger wife became our best friends for one evening).
But before we headed back into Viterbo for that feast, we spent the sunset hour of our car drive with a glass of prosecco in a plastic cup, on the shore of one of the lakes.
A perfect prelude to a memorable new year's eve.This photo is a little masterclass in how an image without an identifiable subject point and many areas to be explored, can all be drawn together.
There are foreground birds. mid ground birds and a different set of birds in the sky. Add the lake and far hills. They all might have been competing but they don't.
First there is a unifying colour right across the image. Then there is the setting sun highlight. Imprtantly it and its reflectionare placed so they unify most of the elements. The repeating swan shapes in the foreground take the eye along the lake edge where it connects smoothly to the far side return.
Special mention to the larger bird in flight on the left and the diagonal line it adds to the top left corner to tie in the lower birds with the upper birds.
It's an exceptionally clever composition.... and yet most of that is highly serendipitous.
There was little I could stage or direct. I just had to follow the flow, i.e. the movement of the swans.
The one (and almost only) conscious composition choice made here, was to get low and really close.
Close (with wide angle) because I believe in Robert Capa's approach (not always but often) : "If the photo is not good, you were not close enough".
And low, because it is that which creates the immersion. The viewer will not be like a 1.80m person looking down on swans below him, but he will be on eye level with the swans, taking the POV of one of the birds themselves.
This also makes the next row of swans stand out better against the bright water, instead of the dark sand of the lake beach.
Serendipity - Yes and no.
I'm quite sure you didn't plan the shot out. But I'm also sure that with lots of experience, you recognized the potential in a situation. You wouldn't have known how all the ducks were going to line up (couldn't resist that one) but you would have seen the the repeating shapes in the foreground and the touch of sun and possibly the birds in the sky and reached for the camera. That was the photographer. The final positioning might have been serendipity but again with some careful framing to get the bits where they worked best PP.
One of those "the more I work at it the luckier I get" kind of serendipity moments.
@DanHasLeftForum has written: @ArvoJ has written:You told Mike:
@DanHasLeftForum has written:It seems to me you are very sensitive to opinions of your images that are not aligned to yours.
Now a little test for your sensitivity:
@DanHasLeftForum has written:At least some basic quick straightening helps a lot by removing the very distracting and unrealistic distortions.
You have got real talent to ruin [sometimes even not so great] images 🙃
Thank you for your opinion ArvoJ.
Obviously I see and interpret images differently to you.
I have no issue with that.
You say you interpret images differently. Fair enough. I have noticed some moments in your comments recently where you have made some attempts to discuss the meaning in an image. Good. Let's continue. I previously explained what I tried to do with this shot. Do you think your adjustment has altered the concept of the image in any way?
A clear example of a case in which distortion correction does not do the image any favours.
The corners leaning inwards in the original showing create a sense of immersion, with the viewer surrounding by the sights (and sounds; and smells!) of an asian urban environment with all its overwhelming impressions. Distortion = immersion = overwhelming.
The distortion "correction" undoes that. It results in an image with a large empty sky, a literal "black hole".
There is no composition anymore, just an unnatural feeling perspective.
Gone is the immersion.
The viewer floats out of the image into that large nothingness.
@MikeFewster has written: @DanHasLeftForum has written: @ArvoJ has written:You told Mike:
@DanHasLeftForum has written:It seems to me you are very sensitive to opinions of your images that are not aligned to yours.
Now a little test for your sensitivity:
@DanHasLeftForum has written:At least some basic quick straightening helps a lot by removing the very distracting and unrealistic distortions.
You have got real talent to ruin [sometimes even not so great] images 🙃
Thank you for your opinion ArvoJ.
Obviously I see and interpret images differently to you.
I have no issue with that.
You say you interpret images differently. Fair enough. I have noticed some moments in your comments recently where you have made some attempts to discuss the meaning in an image. Good. Let's continue. I previously explained what I tried to do with this shot. Do you think your adjustment has altered the concept of the image in any way?
A clear example of a case in which distortion correction does not do the image any favours.
The corners leaning inwards in the original showing create a sense of immersion, with the viewer surrounding by the sights (and sounds; and smells!) of an asian urban environment with all its overwhelming impressions. Distortion = immersion = overwhelming.
The distortion "correction" undoes that. It results in an image with a large empty sky, a literal "black hole".
There is no composition anymore, just an unnatural feeling perspective.
Gone is the immersion.
The viewer floats out of the image into that large nothingness.
Thank you Roel. That's what I was getting at when I asked Dan what he felt his adjustment had done to meaning within the image and that's what I felt the adjustment changed. I didn't want to get too defensive about my own shot and there may are other interpretations to be found. In the case of Dan's adjustment, keeping his perspective correction but cropping just above the green head on the left would go a long way to keeping what I intended while straightening the verticals. I'd still prefer my original however because of the green head. The eyes engage with the viewer whereas the adjust meant changes the angle away to the right.
@RoelHendrickx has written: @MikeFewster has written: @DanHasLeftForum has written: @ArvoJ has written:You told Mike:
@DanHasLeftForum has written:It seems to me you are very sensitive to opinions of your images that are not aligned to yours.
Now a little test for your sensitivity:
@DanHasLeftForum has written:At least some basic quick straightening helps a lot by removing the very distracting and unrealistic distortions.
You have got real talent to ruin [sometimes even not so great] images 🙃
Thank you for your opinion ArvoJ.
Obviously I see and interpret images differently to you.
I have no issue with that.
You say you interpret images differently. Fair enough. I have noticed some moments in your comments recently where you have made some attempts to discuss the meaning in an image. Good. Let's continue. I previously explained what I tried to do with this shot. Do you think your adjustment has altered the concept of the image in any way?
A clear example of a case in which distortion correction does not do the image any favours.
The corners leaning inwards in the original showing create a sense of immersion, with the viewer surrounding by the sights (and sounds; and smells!) of an asian urban environment with all its overwhelming impressions. Distortion = immersion = overwhelming.
The distortion "correction" undoes that. It results in an image with a large empty sky, a literal "black hole".
There is no composition anymore, just an unnatural feeling perspective.
Gone is the immersion.
The viewer floats out of the image into that large nothingness.Thank you Roel. That's what I was getting at when I asked Dan what he felt his adjustment had done to meaning within the image and that's what I felt the adjustment changed. I didn't want to get too defensive about my own shot and there may are other interpretations to be found. In the case of Dan's adjustment, keeping his perspective correction but cropping just above the green head on the left would go a long way to keeping what I intended while straightening the verticals. I'd still prefer my original however because of the green head. The eyes engage with the viewer whereas the adjust meant changes the angle away to the right.
Yep, the "distortion" added to the sense of enclosed, but TBH it needs more along the bottom, you need to people to make it busy and you need them passing under the banner. Same shot but from closer to the ground.
@MikeFewster has written: @RoelHendrickx has written: @MikeFewster has written: @DanHasLeftForum has written: @ArvoJ has written:You told Mike:
@DanHasLeftForum has written:It seems to me you are very sensitive to opinions of your images that are not aligned to yours.
Now a little test for your sensitivity:
@DanHasLeftForum has written:At least some basic quick straightening helps a lot by removing the very distracting and unrealistic distortions.
You have got real talent to ruin [sometimes even not so great] images 🙃
Thank you for your opinion ArvoJ.
Obviously I see and interpret images differently to you.
I have no issue with that.
You say you interpret images differently. Fair enough. I have noticed some moments in your comments recently where you have made some attempts to discuss the meaning in an image. Good. Let's continue. I previously explained what I tried to do with this shot. Do you think your adjustment has altered the concept of the image in any way?
A clear example of a case in which distortion correction does not do the image any favours.
The corners leaning inwards in the original showing create a sense of immersion, with the viewer surrounding by the sights (and sounds; and smells!) of an asian urban environment with all its overwhelming impressions. Distortion = immersion = overwhelming.
The distortion "correction" undoes that. It results in an image with a large empty sky, a literal "black hole".
There is no composition anymore, just an unnatural feeling perspective.
Gone is the immersion.
The viewer floats out of the image into that large nothingness.Thank you Roel. That's what I was getting at when I asked Dan what he felt his adjustment had done to meaning within the image and that's what I felt the adjustment changed. I didn't want to get too defensive about my own shot and there may are other interpretations to be found. In the case of Dan's adjustment, keeping his perspective correction but cropping just above the green head on the left would go a long way to keeping what I intended while straightening the verticals. I'd still prefer my original however because of the green head. The eyes engage with the viewer whereas the adjust meant changes the angle away to the right.
Yep, the "distortion" added to the sense of enclosed, but TBH it needs more along the bottom, you need to people to make it busy and you need them passing under the banner. Same shot but from closer to the ground.
Thanks. I think more people would be better too. Thought about it at the time but couldn't see an angle without blocking all the lights. Thinking about it now, maybe finding something to rest the camera on enabling a slower shutter speed, then letting people be reduced to movement blurs that would let the lights behind them show through? Something I'll try another time.
I like the distorted version because it raised questions about the flag going across the street. Is it really stretching all the way across the street? Is it high so you have to look up to see it, or low enough to brush your head as you walk under it? The "undistortion" removes that mystique.
It also unintentionally distorts, what is in my opinion the subtle yet most important element in the image - the little security camera up top, and in the middle of the street, keeping an eye on all the action.
For an image to be impactful, it must convey emotion and have soul. The original does that for me. It isn't necessarily a pleasant or inviting emotion, but it is emotion none the less. The "corrected" version, while more technically correct, is soulless IMO.
The distorted photo looks weird and unnatural. I have been down many overcrowded busy Asian streets and lanes where I definitely felt immersed in the surroundings without having buildings leaning unnaturally over me. The straightened version still gives me a sense of immersion and with more realism based on my experience in that type of situation. I agree with whoever said the photo needed more included below at the bottom.
What I see vs. what I feel.
I've just returned from a photo workshop in the Pantanal region of Brazil. We were especially targeting Jaguars, and had wonderful success. The two images below are different takes on the same shot. As I started to process it I realized that the "photojournalistic" version (the first picture), while effective, didn't seem to capture how I felt when looking at the scene. This got me thinking about the recent conversation here about emotion in a photograph. So I tried a different version that seemed to better represent the drama I was feeling as the Jaguar lay in wait for it's prey.
I'm interested to hear which of these resonates with you, and of course why. Or possibly what you might suggest to further enhance the mood.
Just wanted to mention that I find that this is a great shot !
Well done.