This is the problem with real good content - many people (including me) enjoy it, but no one has expertise or enough experience to comment on them :)
This is the problem with real good content - many people (including me) enjoy it, but no one has expertise or enough experience to comment on them :)
I have already published several comparisons involving the Canon D30 here, in total indifference, as usual in this forum
For me, indifference in threads like this is the result of seeing that DonaldB's convictions on this topic have never been changed by anything posted by anyone.
i prompt anyone to download a D30 image and push the shadows and pul back highlights with a jpeg and then upscale 3x ,the files blow our raws away 😃
You seem to be forgetting the undeniable fact that all jpegs from digital cameras are originally raw data.
Raw data can be processed to look like just about anything you like and then output it as a jpeg.
In my experience the size of the sensor's pixels is not the main driver behind the quality of the color graduations you refer to.
@DonaldB has written: @DonaldB has written:i prompt anyone to download a D30 image and push the shadows and pul back highlights with a jpeg and then upscale 3x ,the files blow our raws away 😃
ive never owned a canon dslr but i want one of these , insane image quality.
Do you mean smooth pixel quality? Do you seriously believe that if the same image were taken with a 90D, and both were scaled to fit the height of the same 4K display at about 7MP, that the 90D would "be embarrassed"? Do you understand that converter defaults and Canon's DIGIC chips automatically sharpen the 90D captures, all the time, with the assumption that people want to see pixel-level details, and that this is part of the reason (and the bad part) why you see deeper outlier values in 100% pixel views? If you need pixel-level sharpness OOC (or out-of-converter) with the 32.5MP, then you may need more sharpening, but any 32.5 image downsampled to 7MP or especially 1.75MP should have ZERO sharpening at 32.5MP, and could allow HEAVY NR and still have far more detail than a 3.1MP sensor version.
If someone stuck a Canon 32.5MP sensor into the body of a D30, and the firmware ran a quick-and-dirty median filter on the data, and binned the conversion 3x3 to spoof a 3.61MP JPEG-only Foveon, and there was a "mark II" added under the the "D30" on the front of the body, I guess you would consider this the crown Jewel of APS-C cameras, even though it has only DISCARDED information.
can you not see the beautiful level of colour in the images i posted on my calibrated 4k monitor the upscaled image is first class , 🤔im now doubting that the 8meg following canon cameras are actually 8 meg the d30 upscaled images are that good. 😎 actually they are better than the following cameras.
Im sure that camera manufactureing companies have people just like yourself that post on forums and brainwash prospective buyers into thinking that more is better, that less pixels are not, but your not going to sway me one bit as i have studied electronics in my past and understand the ground routes of the simple electronic device thats just reproduced 32 million times 😁
@DonaldB has written:i prompt anyone to download a D30 image and push the shadows and pul back highlights with a jpeg and then upscale 3x ,the files blow our raws away 😃
You seem to be forgetting the undeniable fact that all jpegs from digital cameras are originally raw data.
Raw data can be processed to look like just about anything you like and then output it as a jpeg.
In my experience the size of the sensor's pixels is not the main driver behind the quality of the color graduations you refer to.
hey danno go to your local jcar electronic store and buy a photodiode then go to the local 4wd shop and buy a soloar panel ,connect a multi meter to both and watch the sun rise and tell me which device starts detecting photons first 🤪
The two Kodak test images Don posted say nothing about anything,
😂 looks pretty basic to me 😊
@DanHasLeftForum has written: @DonaldB has written:i prompt anyone to download a D30 image and push the shadows and pul back highlights with a jpeg and then upscale 3x ,the files blow our raws away 😃
You seem to be forgetting the undeniable fact that all jpegs from digital cameras are originally raw data.
Raw data can be processed to look like just about anything you like and then output it as a jpeg.
In my experience the size of the sensor's pixels is not the main driver behind the quality of the color graduations you refer to.
hey danno go to your local jcar electronic store and buy a photodiode then go to the local 4wd shop and buy a soloar panel ,connect a multi meter to both and watch the sun rise and tell me which device starts detecting photons first 🤪
Is the photodiode the same size as the solar panel? Because, if so and if the solar panel wins, that means its smaller sensors put together beat the much larger sensor.
@DonaldB has written: @DanHasLeftForum has written: @DonaldB has written:i prompt anyone to download a D30 image and push the shadows and pul back highlights with a jpeg and then upscale 3x ,the files blow our raws away 😃
You seem to be forgetting the undeniable fact that all jpegs from digital cameras are originally raw data.
Raw data can be processed to look like just about anything you like and then output it as a jpeg.
In my experience the size of the sensor's pixels is not the main driver behind the quality of the color graduations you refer to.
hey danno go to your local jcar electronic store and buy a photodiode then go to the local 4wd shop and buy a soloar panel ,connect a multi meter to both and watch the sun rise and tell me which device starts detecting photons first 🤪
Is the photodiode the same size as the solar panel? Because, if so and if the solar panel wins, that means its smaller sensors put together beat the much larger sensor.
hey leejay you have just solved the world energy crisis, we all need to install the fuji gfx100meg sensor on our roofs 🫣it has 100 million solar panels 😇more is better right 🙄
and still have far more detail than a 3.1MP sensor version.
your not listerning, i havent once mentioned detail, im a portrait shooter and color (expecially shadowed skin tones that can be accurately recovered) is my ultimate objective (pun). big pixels are better period.
@JohnSheehyRev has written:and still have far more detail than a 3.1MP sensor version.
your not listerning, i havent once mentioned detail, im a portrait shooter and color (expecially shadowed skin tones that can be accurately recovered) is my ultimate objective (pun). big pixels are better period.
If bigger pixels is better for you, that's fine.
In my experience the sensor pixel size is not the main driver behind the quality of the color graduations you refer to.
Anyone interested can do their own testing and come to their own conclusions like you did.
@Maoby has written:I have already published several comparisons involving the Canon D30 here, in total indifference, as usual in this forum
For me, indifference in threads like this is the result of seeing that DonaldB's convictions on this topic have never been changed by anything posted by anyone.
Turning a deaf ear is the specialty of many people, the important thing for the vast majority is to be right.
In the long run, it gets really annoying.
My latest comparison between two Canon Rebels, 6MP and 18MP.
Canon EOS-300D (2003) 100% / Canon EOS Kiss X7 (2013) 65% Prorata by Marc Aubry, sur Flickr
Canon EOS-300D (2003) / Canon EOS Kiss X7 (2013)
www.flickr.com/photos/maoby/albums/72177720316167476/
6MP / 18MP
etc …
Kodak DCS 200 (1992) / Fujifilm X-T5 (2022)
www.flickr.com/photos/maoby/albums/72177720304141226
30 years apart 1.5MP / 40MP
Canon EOS-1Ds (2002) / Fujifilm X-T5 (2022)
www.flickr.com/photos/maoby/albums/72177720304918247
20 years apart 11MP/40 MP
Nikon D100 (2002) / Nikon D500 (2016)
www.flickr.com/photos/maoby/albums/72157691935795584
Nikon DX 6.3MP / 20.9MP
@Maoby has written:I have already published several comparisons involving the Canon D30 here, in total indifference, as usual in this forum
For me, indifference in threads like this is the result of seeing that DonaldB's convictions on this topic have never been changed by anything posted by anyone.
DonaldB is entitled to his opinion just like anyone else.
Where he is struggling is coping with the fact that his opinions are not enforceable onto everyone else.
@sybersitizen has written: @Maoby has written:I have already published several comparisons involving the Canon D30 here, in total indifference, as usual in this forum
For me, indifference in threads like this is the result of seeing that DonaldB's convictions on this topic have never been changed by anything posted by anyone.
Turning a deaf ear is the specialty of many people, the important thing for the vast majority is to be right.
In the long run, it gets really annoying.My latest comparison between two Canon Rebels, 6MP and 18MP.
Canon EOS-300D (2003) 100% / Canon EOS Kiss X7 (2013) 65% Prorata by Marc Aubry, sur FlickrCanon EOS-300D (2003) / Canon EOS Kiss X7 (2013)
www.flickr.com/photos/maoby/albums/72177720316167476/
6MP / 18MPetc …
Kodak DCS 200 (1992) / Fujifilm X-T5 (2022)
www.flickr.com/photos/maoby/albums/72177720304141226
30 years apart 1.5MP / 40MPCanon EOS-1Ds (2002) / Fujifilm X-T5 (2022)
www.flickr.com/photos/maoby/albums/72177720304918247
20 years apart 11MP/40 MPNikon D100 (2002) / Nikon D500 (2016)
www.flickr.com/photos/maoby/albums/72157691935795584
Nikon DX 6.3MP / 20.9MP
but what i noticed is the massive step backward from the d30 to the 20d in the kodak gradiant scale.
@sybersitizen has written: @Maoby has written:I have already published several comparisons involving the Canon D30 here, in total indifference, as usual in this forum
For me, indifference in threads like this is the result of seeing that DonaldB's convictions on this topic have never been changed by anything posted by anyone.
DonaldB is entitled to his opinion just like anyone else.
Sure, people are 'entitled' to believe anything they want to believe, even if it's false. It happens constantly. That's why it's sensible to adopt a reaction of indifference to these repeating threads that showcase opposing beliefs about pixel size. The attempts to accomplish change simply fail, time after time.
@Maoby has written: @sybersitizen has written: @Maoby has written:I have already published several comparisons involving the Canon D30 here, in total indifference, as usual in this forum
For me, indifference in threads like this is the result of seeing that DonaldB's convictions on this topic have never been changed by anything posted by anyone.
Turning a deaf ear is the specialty of many people, the important thing for the vast majority is to be right.
In the long run, it gets really annoying.My latest comparison between two Canon Rebels, 6MP and 18MP.
Canon EOS-300D (2003) / Canon EOS Kiss X7 (2013)
www.flickr.com/photos/maoby/albums/72177720316167476/
6MP / 18MPbut what i noticed is the massive step backward from the d30 to the 20d in the kodak gradiant scale.
I own both, but I've never compared them.
But, indeed, I've sometimes preferred the results of the oldest camera for different reasons.
After more than 310 comparisons, I haven't found a definitive answer yet, for the simple reason that some of the results contradict each other.
As A is better than B, and B is better than C, but C seems better than A! 😱
@DanHasLeftForum has written: @sybersitizen has written: @Maoby has written:I have already published several comparisons involving the Canon D30 here, in total indifference, as usual in this forum
For me, indifference in threads like this is the result of seeing that DonaldB's convictions on this topic have never been changed by anything posted by anyone.
DonaldB is entitled to his opinion just like anyone else.
Sure, people are 'entitled' to believe anything they want to believe, even if it's false. It happens constantly. That's why it's sensible to adopt a reaction of indifference to these repeating threads that showcase opposing beliefs about pixel size. The attempts to accomplish change simply fail, time after time.
ive just printed an A4 from my new pro 200 and the image quallity is beautiful from the d30. i want one, but none for sale here in AUS 😒
@DanHasLeftForum has written: @sybersitizen has written: @Maoby has written:I have already published several comparisons involving the Canon D30 here, in total indifference, as usual in this forum
For me, indifference in threads like this is the result of seeing that DonaldB's convictions on this topic have never been changed by anything posted by anyone.
DonaldB is entitled to his opinion just like anyone else.
Sure, people are 'entitled' to believe anything they want to believe, even if it's false. It happens constantly. That's why it's sensible to adopt a reaction of indifference to these repeating threads that showcase opposing beliefs about pixel size. The attempts to accomplish change simply fail, time after time.
what amazes me as well is photographers are just as blind as musos are deaf 🫣 ive been learning a new song on my new guitar and 2 cords just sounded not quite right, ive spent 2 days looking at all the cord progressions form 20 different people and i was still not happy, but then this morning i have finally nailed the correct cords 😁 never say never if you dont post anything and listern to everyone else your bound to come unstuck, just ask Jim K hows his 10x macro is going with MF 😂 its how i got my perm moderation 🤨 its the same with there extreme macro setups. they all copy each other and they are all wrong, there systems are useless and defy all lodgic, but hey they all think they know better, i just posted my setup to a mod getting into exteme macro, but havnt had a response back, probally because its game changing and very well designed and he doesnt want to start from scratch.
@sybersitizen has written: @DanHasLeftForum has written: @sybersitizen has written: @Maoby has written:I have already published several comparisons involving the Canon D30 here, in total indifference, as usual in this forum
For me, indifference in threads like this is the result of seeing that DonaldB's convictions on this topic have never been changed by anything posted by anyone.
DonaldB is entitled to his opinion just like anyone else.
Sure, people are 'entitled' to believe anything they want to believe, even if it's false. It happens constantly. That's why it's sensible to adopt a reaction of indifference to these repeating threads that showcase opposing beliefs about pixel size. The attempts to accomplish change simply fail, time after time.
what amazes me as well is photographers are just as blind as musos are deaf 🫣 ive been learning a new song on my new guitar and 2 cords just sounded not quite right, ive spent 2 days looking at all the cord progressions form 20 different people and i was still not happy, but then this morning i have finally nailed the correct cords 😁 never say never if you dont post anything and listern to everyone else your bound to come unstuck, just ask Jim K hows his 10x macro is going with MF 😂 its how i got my perm moderation 🤨 its the same with there extreme macro setups. they all copy each other and they are all wrong, there systems are useless and defy all lodgic, but hey they all think they know better, i just posted my setup to a mod getting into exteme macro, but havnt had a response back, probally because its game changing and very well designed and he doesnt want to start from scratch.
All of that is just your opinions.