• Members 360 posts
    April 16, 2023, 1:39 p.m.

    Oppo Find X6 pro. Don't own it though.

  • Members 7 posts
    April 23, 2023, 2:35 a.m.

    I was Apple user for many years. 2 years ago I switched to Samsung S20 FE. S20 FE's main camera is pretty good for landscape, but not portrait. And telephoto is horrible.

    I can upgrade my phone in 1 month. I'm debating between the following:

    • Samsung S23 Ultra. Based on YouTube examples (see below), I like S23 Ultra the best. And it is great all around phone. If I have to pick today, I'd go with S23 Ultra.

    • iPhone 14 Pro Max (or possibly wait for 15). What I like about Apple is the workflow. Apple Photos just make it so easy to manage and edit photos on iPhone, iPad, or Mac. Apple doesn't have a lot of added features, but it just works well.

    • Google Pixel 7 Pro. It has some pros but also some big drawbacks. Portrait on Pixel 7 is horrible, because it uses the wide angle lens. And besides the camera, Pixel 7 Pro phone (such as battery life and processing power) is not comparable to competition. Good news is Pixel 7 Pro is $400-500 cheaper.

    Check out this comparison between the 3 phones. You can make your own judgement which resulting photos you like.

    youtu.be/h8zrU7KJzbM

    For me, I don't care for night mode. Around 50% of the samples at the end are night mode. So ignoring the night mode, here is my result:

    • Samsung S23 Ultra: 11 (1st place), 5 (2nd place), and 2 (3rd place)

    • Apple 14 Pro Max: 4 (1st place), 8 (2nd place), and 6 (3rd place)

    • Google Pixel 7 Pro: 2 (1st place), 5 (2nd place), and 10 (3rd place)

  • Members 360 posts
    April 23, 2023, 4:25 a.m.

    Although not a recommended purchase, my vote goes to S23Ultra. Great phone.
    Current line across all brands looks like poor price/value ratio.

  • Members 7 posts
    May 5, 2023, 6:02 p.m.

    After doing a bunch of research, I got Samsung S23 Ultra. The most important factors for me are camera and battery life. I ruled out Pixel 7 or 7 Pro, because of poor battery life. Then between S23 Ultra and Apple 14 Pro Max, it just depends on what OS you prefer or need. I have been using Samsung and Apple concurrently for past 2 years. Samsung for my daily use. Then I keep old Apple phone on wifi for Screen Time (family members), Find My (check location of family members), FaceTime (with my parents), and iMessage.

    S23 Ultra camera has good hardware. Has 4 cameras: UW, Normal (Wide), 3x, and 10x telephoto cameras. But it has couple additional features that are marketing gimmicks: 200 mpix main sensor and 100x digital telephoto. Technically these do work, but result is not really usable.

    S23 Ultra does have some quirks. Samsung has these additional modes (Pro and Expert RAW) that are supposedly for photographers. RAW output is fine. Users can edit these however they like. But the Expert mode JPEG output is completely over the top (overly bright and super saturated), which is opposite of what photographers typically want.

    I posted my comparison of the different modes on reddit: www.reddit.com/r/GalaxyS23/comments/138anr8/s23_ultra_standard_pro_and_expert_raw_comparison/

  • Members 535 posts
    May 5, 2023, 7:12 p.m.

    Poco F3
    ( Xiaomi family - bought on offer the 256G version for 220€ )

    Not bad, not impressive as a camera > no Manual mode <
    Really good pictures as a camera phone

    3 cameras
    - 3) Macro
    - 2) Wide
    - 1) Tele

    The Poco F3
    1) a 48MP primary camera relying on the Sony IMX 582 Quad-Bayer 1/2" sensor with 0.8µm pixels, 25mm f/1.8 lens, and PDAF. Night Mode is supported on this camera.
    2) an 8MP 1/4" Sony IMX355 snapper with an ultrawide-angle 15mm f/2.2 lens. The focus is fixed; Night Mode is present here, too.
    3) a macro shooter with a 5MP Samsung S5K5E8 sensor with 1.75µm pixels and 49mm f/2.4 telemacro lens with autofocus that works between 3cm and 7cm distance.
    -The selfie camera has a 20MP Samsung S5K3T2 ISOCELL Plus 1/3.4" Tetra-pixel sensor behind a 26mm f/2.2 lens. The focus is fixed.

    Not too bad, and easy to handle, I'd have fun with it...
    .... but when I reached the limit, I happily bought my Z30

    You need three zoom lenses to have the same focals
    ( total 1.200€ against 220€ /\ 2.1Kg against 209gr )

    Macro shot:
    2023-05-02 08.02.28.jpg

    2023-05-02 08.02.28.jpg

    JPG, 842.8 KB, uploaded by AlainCh2 on May 7, 2023.

  • Removed user
    May 7, 2023, 3:16 p.m.

    I had the Samsung Galaxy series for years ... pretty good:

    kronometric.org/phot/manor/cactus%20pear%20orig.jpg

    I got sick and tired of the poor battery performance and replaced it with a Sonim flip-open with real keys and no camera ...

  • Members 71 posts
    May 7, 2023, 3:56 p.m.

    Similar story for me, although I went with a Fairphone 4 for my unconventional alternative - these have comparable battery capacity to the Galaxy series, but you can swap them in the field if you carry spares. The camera on it is pretty underwhelming, but since I only ever use it for digital note-taking, the massive oversharpening that it applies isn't much of a negative.

  • Members 615 posts
    May 13, 2023, 3:47 p.m.

    That’s interesting. I’ve been playing with files from the 48mp sensor on the 14 and am truly amazed. Announcements for the 15…or any updates…normally come in September, correct?

  • Members 62 posts
    May 15, 2023, 8:27 p.m.

    What I have: Samsung Note 20, likely to upgrade to an S23 +/Ultra since they are great phones with long software support. Both models have excellent cameras too.

    However. If camera was the main motivation, I'd get a Sony Xperia PRO-I. Proper shutter button and a dedicated normal 50mm equivalent module.

  • Members 240 posts
    May 15, 2023, 8:30 p.m.

    iPhone 12 Pro Max here. I’m in the Apple ecosystem with laptop, iPad etc. but the phone is my least worry. I tend to upgrade my phone about every 5 years.

  • Members 45 posts
    May 15, 2023, 11:12 p.m.

    Answering the question, as asked, makes it seem as if I would purchase a mobile telephone based on what the camera performance is. For a photographer like me, that's just rubbish. I have cameras for photography and keep, at least, one with me at all times. My PHONE of choice is Apple - currently the 13 Pro. I use it because, I feel, Apple is the best manufacturer at what they do - computers phones, OS. I would never buy a phone for the camera any more than I would purchase a camera for its phone. That said, when buying an expensive (too expensive to me) phone, I expect it to bring with it the best camera. Apple has never let me down.

  • Members 49 posts
    May 21, 2023, 8:38 p.m.

    Adding another data point... I currently have the Samsung S20FE, and it is... okay, for a phone, in good light.

    It's a bit noisy, becoming a lot noisy in low light situations. Its "night mode" seems pretty hit and miss, though I admit I've only dabbled with it a little out of curiosity, since it makes all the processing decisions and spits out a JPG. If you don't like its choices, pretty much too bad. I usually use the Lightroom camera app rather than the Samsung one because it gives me access to the RAW files and it generally seems to do a decent job. I think the default app's "pro" mode also lets you get the raws, but it always shoots both raw and jpg if I remember, which is more clutter than I need.

    At the moment I'm not planning to upgrade though, because the cost for top end phones is pretty crazy, and I often bring another camera anyway -- for me this is a camera of last resort, really.

  • Members 67 posts
    June 7, 2023, 10:04 a.m.

    I currently use a Pixel 7.
    I previously had an Iphone X, which I found good enough for travel photo. I wanted to buy a 13 pro, but it was too expensive.
    The Pixel 7 was a bargain, and, I think, gives similar results.
    Image quality is very good for travel, that's why I'm starting to take only the phone when travelling. It's so convenient!
    I'm pleased with the results, but I sometimes have to correct excessive sharpening.
    But I miss the telephoto of the pro model. I'd like more reach, but not a bigger size. The Pixel 7 size is OK, as was the Iphone X.
    The pro model looks too big for me. I'm waiting for the next generation, to see if I can have the best compromise between image quality, reach, size and price.
    André

  • Members 7 posts
    June 13, 2023, 12:34 p.m.

    Yes. I had a Nexus and then Google Pixels and then a Huawei P30 pro. The took wonderful photos but that was the problem. They took the photo. Other than framing the shot, I was just along for the ride. With my Xperia 5III and the Photography Pro interface that is much like the Sony Alpha camera interface I am involved in taking the photo again with a shutter-priority mode and a manual mode and a Program Mode. It's a hoot if you enjoy actually taking photos. If I want an outstanding photo with none of my input I'll buy a print.

  • Foundation 1232 posts
    June 13, 2023, 12:47 p.m.

    I discover that I have an iPhone SE3; but I only use it to take snaps in an emergency. I dont see the point in my spending money on a Canon R6 and lenses, plus a Sony RX100, if I am going to prefer to use the phone instead. Mobile phones are both over-rated and over-priced in my opinion.

    David

  • Members 716 posts
    June 13, 2023, 1:04 p.m.

    Oppo make great phones. Really really good. Tough, long lasting, great battery life, & not too much crOppo make great phones. Really really good. Tough, long lasting, great battery life, & not too much cr@p bloatware in their OS. I don't buy them for the camera though. On a scale of 1-10 for camera performance, the camera rates at about minus 964. For me.

  • Members 8 posts
    Oct. 14, 2023, 1:40 a.m.

    Realme X3 Superzoom

    1/1.7 sensor, ultrawide, wide, 5x stabilised periscope, 2-day battery, low noise, low distortion, low or no PF and most importantly: bright, attractive exposure and colour that is uniform across lenses. And it's under $300 now.

    Haven't found a better balanced and easy to use setup, and I go through a lot of phones.

  • Members 8 posts
    Oct. 14, 2023, 1:42 a.m.

    Excessive sharpening is probably one of the worst issues with mobile photography. What do you usually do to counteract it?

  • Dec. 13, 2023, 10:21 a.m.

    I have two pixel 8 pro's coming for DW and I. She's a little reluctant to leave the iOS sphere. I am happy to do so. I said, my iPhone 13 will be my last iPhone. I am holding to it. We have been using iPhones since the 4s with a little stint in between with the windows mobile devices (which I loved). Got the 6s, 8, 11, and now the 13. Nothing has been really new or WOW for us. It's the same regurgitated phone with little things done to make it "ALL NEW".

    With the pixel 8 pro, we get great AI features for everyday life like call screening, recorder summarize (awesome for DW's long droning on meetings she has to take minutes for), and a host of other awesomeness. The option to make our home screens, icons, etc look the way WE want is a nice feature too. I am artsy and creative so I like switching up the look of things frequently. On iPhone, You have to jump through 11 rings of hell to do it and it takes HOURS as well. One flick of a button on the Pixel (or any android device), you have a fresh new phone look to keep you wanting to use it.

    There are alot of other reasons as well, like better interoperability with our computers, tablet etc as well.

  • Dec. 13, 2023, 10:24 a.m.

    I would take Maxtech videos with a huge grain of salt. The pixel 7 pro has a much better zoom camera than the 14 pro max. I think they got too close to the gecko or focused on something else. They are apple fanboys to the nth degree and will do anything to make apple come out on top however they can. NOT a great video to use for an unbiased view.

  • Feb. 16, 2024, 11:25 p.m.

    Well, I got two pixel 8 pros for my wife and I, I am waiting for the s23 ultra to drop in price on the refurb market and I will be adding one of those to the stable. Thirdly, I have removed all apple devices save for my iPad which I just bought out of the stable. We are done with the locked down ways of apple and their shenanigans.

  • Feb. 17, 2024, 11:26 a.m.

    I agree. I don't like the Apple walled garden. I want to put stuff where I want to, not where Apple insists.

    I have an Android phone (OnePlus 8) - android does two things that Apple can't.

    When I enter my house, the phone connects to the Wifi - that triggers a phone call to my service provider to divert all calls to my house phone. That way, I can pick up calls no matter where in the house I am (we have 7 phones scattered around the house).

    The other thing is that anytime I get a text, it automatically forward that on as an email. Which helps with 2FA when the bank wants to text me a number and I am at the other end of the house on my PC trying to log in.

    IOS can't do either of those (or if it can, I have no idea how).

    As for cameras (the original discussion), no - I don't use my smartphone as a camera if I can help it. It's great for 'snaps', but I prefer something that looks like a camera and feels like a camera.

  • Feb. 17, 2024, 12:14 p.m.

    I use the cameras on our phones quite a bit, as a convenience when we are travelling. The images are quite good for blogging, insta stuff and what not. They fall apart when you use them for other things. But for our content creation they can work fine. I have a gimbal, camera grip etc for them. So we have one setup in a gimbal and the other in the grip. We use them in a run and gun setup.
    When I want to take serious images. Nothing beats real cameras. NOTHING.