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When is my photo not my photo

AlanSh
Sept. 9, 2025
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    AlanSh
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    Sept. 9, 2025, 10 a.m. Sept. 9, 2025, 10 a.m.
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    There's an interesting discussion going on over in DPReview regarding a photo that was submitted to GPTchat to get it enhanced. When it came back, it had been combined with some standard pictures (it was of the moon) to produce a nice picture. But then comes the 'issue' - is it the same picture?

    My feeling is that, no, it's not my picture any more. But do I claim ownership of it? Can I sell it as 'mine'?

    I think this could run and run.

    Alan

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    davidwien
    Team 1866 posts
    Sept. 9, 2025, 12:01 p.m. Sept. 9, 2025, 12:01 p.m.
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    For what it is worth to anyone else, I have zero interest in AI as represented by GPTChat. I consider it a big time waster, and similar implementations have already ruined the usefulness of Google for me, such that I now use Duck Duck Go instead. With any luck it will wean me off using my computer completely, which would free up a lot of time. 😁

    David

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    AlanSh
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    Sept. 9, 2025, 2:42 p.m. Sept. 9, 2025, 2:42 p.m.
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    @davidwien has written:

    For what it is worth to anyone else, I have zero interest in AI as represented by GPTChat. I consider it a big time waster, and similar implementations have already ruined the usefulness of Google for me, such that I now use Duck Duck Go instead. With any luck it will wean me off using my computer completely, which would free up a lot of time. 😁

    David

    That's the subject of a separate thread I think.

    Alan

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    davidwien
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    Sept. 9, 2025, 3:36 p.m. Sept. 9, 2025, 3:36 p.m.
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    Well, the opening gambit was submitting the photo to GPTChat... 😀

    David

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    Greg
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    Sept. 9, 2025, 4:19 p.m. Sept. 9, 2025, 4:19 p.m.
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    @AlanSh wrote: But do I claim ownership of it? Can I sell it as 'mine'?

    I looked into this back in January 2024 in relation to Microsoft’s app Copilot, and this is what I found.

    The rights to the DALL·E 3 generated images are passed on to the creator, and you are freely able to sell any of the images you create or use them for commercial purposes. Yes, you are allowed to remove the digital watermark. If you are a stand-up guy like me, you will include… artwork assisted by AI rather than claiming it is all of your own work.
    People in the art world aren’t stupid.

    DALL·E 3 is an advanced AI system designed to generate high-quality images from textual descriptions.

    Google: How to Save Your DALL-E Images Without the Watermark.

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    xpatUSA
    Members 1020 posts
    Sept. 9, 2025, 4:44 p.m. Sept. 9, 2025, 4:44 p.m.
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    @AlanSh has written:

    There's an interesting discussion going on over in DPReview regarding a photo that was submitted to GPTchat to get it enhanced. When it came back, it had been combined with some standard pictures (it was of the moon) to produce a nice picture. But then comes the 'issue' - is it the same picture?

    My feeling is that, no, it's not my picture any more. But do I claim ownership of it? Can I sell it as 'mine'?

    I think this could run and run.

    Alan

    Classic photo forum re-naming of ChatGPT to GPTchat.

    Personally I never use AI imaging work of any kind. I find it more that adequate for technical questions asked in plain English, step by step.

    chatgpt.com/share/68c05afb-a034-8013-93db-aaccb6810cad

    Over on discuss.pixls.us quoting AI is not allowed - the Mods will slap you around if you do.

    I think that the image remains your property but being able to sell it is moot.

    In this composite, three of the images are shot by me but I stole the UFO off the net, as does AI.

    kronometric.org/phot/manor/street/blood%20moon%20clouds%20street%20UFO.jpg

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    ArvoJ
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    Sept. 9, 2025, 4:55 p.m. Sept. 9, 2025, 4:55 p.m.
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    @xpatUSA has written:

    Classic photo forum re-naming of ChatGPT to GPTchat

    deepai.org/chat/gpt-chat

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    xpatUSA
    Members 1020 posts
    Sept. 9, 2025, 5 p.m. Sept. 9, 2025, 5 p.m.
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    @davidwien has written:

    Well, the opening gambit was submitting the photo to GPTChat... 😀

    David

    Hmmm ...

    In conversation or debate: an opening gambit is the first remark or tactic someone uses to set the tone, grab attention, or steer things in their favor.

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    xpatUSA
    Members 1020 posts
    Sept. 9, 2025, 6:31 p.m. Sept. 9, 2025, 6:31 p.m.
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    @ArvoJ has written:
    @xpatUSA has written:

    Classic photo forum re-naming of ChatGPT to GPTchat

    deepai.org/chat/gpt-chat

    Looking for a ChatGPT-like experience? Give GPT-Chat a try! Please note that GPT Chat is not affiliated with OpenAI. ChatGPT is a trademark of OpenAI.

    So, Alan, which were you referring to? If GPT-Chat, my apologies.

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    AlanSh
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    Sept. 9, 2025, 9:18 p.m. Sept. 9, 2025, 9:18 p.m.
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    It's chatGPT, but my thread was really to discuss the overall idea of AI taking a photo, modifying it by adding stuff it's learned (in other words, other pictures) and then sending it back as 'your picture'. It doesn't matter which model is chosen.

    Alan

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    davidwien
    Team 1866 posts
    Sept. 9, 2025, 9:40 p.m. Sept. 9, 2025, 9:40 p.m.
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    @xpatUSA has written:
    @davidwien has written:

    Well, the opening gambit was submitting the photo to GPTChat... 😀

    David

    Hmmm ...

    In conversation or debate: an opening gambit is the first remark or tactic someone uses to set the tone, grab attention, or steer things in their favor.

    I dont recognise your definition of an opening gambit.

    David

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