• June 27, 2023, 7:48 p.m.

    We thought we'd put that in with:
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    It was a deliberate decision to go with three levels, because people seem to find the sheer number on the full display intimidating. I know it's two more clicks, but that's not a lot.

    OK, so the gallery would be appreciated?

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    PNG, 90.1 KB, uploaded by bobn2 on June 27, 2023.

  • June 27, 2023, 7:50 p.m.

    It's suprising how irritating an extra two clicks can be. Microsoft, in the later versions of file explorer for Windows 11 decided it was two clicks to create a new folder rather than one. To me that is a step backwards and I hate it.

    Alan

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    June 27, 2023, 7:52 p.m.

    Pretty sure it says that. 😁

    More seriously -- thanks for the correction! I edited the post.

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    June 27, 2023, 9:22 p.m.

    You have already created the dumpster for that, thrown all the real world discussion images in there 🤨😜

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    June 27, 2023, 10:35 p.m.

    Try "open with" Drive you up the wall it will.

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    June 28, 2023, 2:09 a.m.

    To me, and this view is likely not shared by many, the niche that this site could carve out for itself is to move away from ‘gear based’ forums (or anything else “gear based”) — leave the brand name gear forums to DPR and focus this site on “photography” (ie the result, not the tool). If folks want to talk about Camera brand A or B or C - or research same - then they can go where they have gone for 20-years: DPR. But if folks want to discuss images, locations, ideas, composition, sales, markets, and the techniques of creating great images (how they lit them in studio, how they processed them, etc) then they could come here. Perhaps this is akin to what Bob was saying in his OP.

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    June 28, 2023, 2:27 a.m.

    From very early on, I've advocated for an FAQ that addresses common beginning photographer questions with short, targeted answers written in a conversational style that convey basic photographic concepts, accurately. As much as you and others are focused on DPRevived being a venue for high level discussion of photography-related topics, I still believe an entry level FAQ would be an invaluable contribution to the larger photographic community.

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    June 28, 2023, 2:38 a.m.

    I could not agree more 🙂

    As a compromise, perhaps the camera brand specific topics could be bundled into just a few broad based sub-forums.

    Again, totally agree.

    That would be a clear difference between DPRevived and DPReview which would be a good thing.

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    June 28, 2023, 2:42 a.m.

    Yes, totally agree 🙂

    I think it's a no-brainer that for DPRevived to succeed in the long run it will need to attract photographers of all interest and skill levels, especially genuine "beginners".

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    June 28, 2023, 2:56 a.m.

    I haven't seen a clearly defined Mission Statement for DPRevived.

    As I mentioned in an earlier post there was some discussion very soon after the birth of DPRevived and so if it hasn't been "formalised" yet, I think it really should be a high priority at this stage and then clearly displayed near the top of the DPRevived home page so visitors landing there for the first time can see clearly what they can expect from this site.

    Just my $0.02 worth.

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    June 28, 2023, 2:56 a.m.

    They can, but try asking there something non-trivial, like "what is the value of the midtone in raw for my camera" or "what dynamic range my camera has".

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    June 28, 2023, 3:06 a.m.

    Yes, that is a good point.

    But imo queries/threads on those types of questions should be able to be grouped into some sort of broad based sub-forums here.

    I think a site search function with much more grunt than currently would help members find answers, or at least discussions, to their queries.

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    June 28, 2023, 3:10 a.m.

    I wasn't arguing against that.

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    June 28, 2023, 3:16 a.m.

    No problem. I realise that and so wasn't suggesting you were.

    My apology if it came across that way. My intention was to use your comment as an example reinforcing my earlier posted sugestion

    "As a compromise, perhaps the camera brand specific topics could be bundled into just a few broad based sub-forums."

  • Members 45 posts
    June 28, 2023, 4:01 a.m.

    Bob,
    From the beginning of DPRs uncertainty, I said (there and here) they would never be going away. From a corporate or divestment perspective it made zero sense and there had to be workings, behind the scenes, to keep them around, in one form or another. When this forum began as a sanctuary for those who were jumping ship (without waiting for the dust to settle) much ado was made about DPR - much of it unnecessarily derogatory and rude. Not from any of the DPRevived staff but from many of the trouble makers leaving DPR who were burning bridges behind them as fast as they could. They brought that vitriol with them and began to start fires here just as fast as they did there. It was obvious, mentioned, and met with too much "wait and see". I've seen many who came here, early on, post their leaving for these exact reasons. This forum can be just as accomplished as any other photography forum with proper formatting, content, moderation and contribution BUT not left as it has been for the first 3 months.

    It was mentioned above that many herein "know their stuff", and that's probably true but, just as true, there are many who think know their stuff and go out of their way to be as caustic as possible to make everyone know that they think they know their stuff. There's also a difference between knowing one's stuff and being a patient, caring teacher. You, I believe, are the latter. However, unless the unruly are cajoled, or cudgeled, into proper decorum, this forum will languish.

    I have a university MFA and a master's degree in photographic sciences (chemistry, physics, optics) & advertising and over 40 years as a full-time (when not teaching) professional photographer with clients consisting of governments, major advertising agencies, major/minor corporations, news agencies, galleries, collectors, magazines..... and I refrain from technical contribution because of the afore mentioned individuals (probably numbering 8-12) who have a need to impress others by beating them over and over with what they "think" they know - even when it possesses very little veracity. Or, when the information they contribute is correct, they insist on harassing anyone who questions their "knowledge" over the head until they stop engaging, tire and go away.

    I think that the original name for this forum "DPRevived" was, and is, an issue because it started, and now relies, on DPReview's demise. Which, of course, it never did so there is nothing to "revive". My suggestion is to reboot your efforts, to redirect this site into a calm, welcoming site (if that's what you want) that showcases your vision (the team) & your desire for a photographic forum, without any further mention, contention with, complaints about, or reference to DPReview and to make this site what you want it to be. The way it will flourish is if you provide a welcoming site for established members, and newcomers alike, to come and engage with like-minded individuals. Your 10-20 problem-children are NOT like-minded individuals and you've been told that since the first days of this forum. If they are permitted to continue on their current, and past (here and elsewhere) path, any semblance of sanity will be drained from here and you will be left with nothing but turmoil and months of hard work gone into nothing. Remember, it's your site and it will be what you allow it to be. If you allow it to be intolerant, rude and abusive, it will go away and the team will be left with that legacy. If you take the reins and make it what you want it to be, you will be successful and your site will reflect your vision. I will be here, when I'm not on assignment as I am now in Washington D.C., as I have for much of the past three months and post where, and when, those mentioned above are not involved in dragging the conversation into the gutter, with weeks of continued nonsense like the ongoing travesty about "what is exposure". Much of which is simply incorrect.

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    June 28, 2023, 5:11 a.m.

    Some technique is brand specific.

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    June 28, 2023, 5:18 a.m.

    GB , you havent given anyone any advice from your experience only stated what settings can be altered. so what would you do in that situation 🤨