• Removed user
    May 27, 2023, 1:25 a.m.

    Danno, you must have had lots of free time to waste on penning the above, knowing that it will fall upon deaf ears and get you a deliberately obtuse response.

  • Members 4254 posts
    May 27, 2023, 2:26 a.m.

    Clearly my typing skills and speed are much better than yours then 😄

    People might take you more seriously if you actually practised what you preach and followed your own advice you attempted to push onto others in your post -

    dprevived.com/t/lets-save-this-site/3506/#post-38309

    😎

  • Members 216 posts
    May 27, 2023, 4 a.m.

    But you should,
    take this image
    dprevived.com/media/attachments/ae/f6/R8VWIlsvEJUQMIidzLpmC5wjITVDeVK8zFEyXPIpKGBamld4eGCxKYXqFAmMbZbz/63k03377.jpg
    if we look at the raw file in FRV you will see that the red channel is no where near to what that histogram is showing. For me to place the red channel anywhere close to how it is found on the back of the camera it would need at least 1 2/3 to 2 stops more exposure.

    Again read what is written above......... think about it

    Again reread what is written above...... think about it even more

    If no processing is being done why is the red sooo different to what is shown on the back of your camera?

    All camera are doing this, your camera is no more special than the rest, this needs to be done to all cameras
    All cameras are doing this, your camera is no more special than the rest, this needs to be done to all cameras.
    This is called white balance and needs to be applied, this is done by multiplying one or more of the color channels more than the other
    This multiplying will dramatically shift how color channels appear on the back of the cameras histogram. again all cameras are doing this your camera is no more special than the rest if this was not done then the colors of the jpeg would be very dramatically off.

    Next the histogram on the back of the camera is tied to the color space the raw file it is being converted into, The size of the color space will cause clipping to occur in the cameras histogram because those colors may and will fall outside of that cameras converted color space, using a larger color space and that histogram that did show clipping will no longer show clipping

    photos.smugmug.com/Temp/Temp/i-ZQ8rnzW/0/8cc1ec05/O/yellow%20clip.jpg
    here is a yellow patch shown in a small color space

    photos.smugmug.com/Temp/Temp/i-p6pFbLS/0/84c7ce9a/O/yellow.jpg
    The same shown in a larger color space see how much different the histogram is, does this not get you questioning what is that histogram really showing you?
    I guess not as you have never really changed your color space in what 20 years.
    What is the color space you have set your camera to ?
    What does this do to your histogram you are using to judge what is clipped?

    What are the color profile is being used to convert the raw data into a image you can view on the back of your camera? Did you know this can dramatically change how it will appear on the back of your camera? And this will not alter how the raw data is being recorded I hope you know this or at the very least gets you thinks outside of your norm ( my camera is perfect and you should trust me as I have tested this)

  • Members 2332 posts
    May 27, 2023, 4:33 a.m.

    ive said it many times before .im not interested in the colour channels as my camera live histogram is not coloured, im only interested that my zebras
    match the highlight clipping function in FRV, and it does exactly. there is nothing more to say that i havnt already said on the subject.
    I like simplicity when shooting.

  • Members 4254 posts
    May 27, 2023, 4:45 a.m.

    You were shown where the zebras do not match exactly what you saw in FRV.

  • Members 2332 posts
    May 27, 2023, 5:01 a.m.

    1drv.ms/i/s!ArStsPjQ301PmU9skeBNZNafiIP4?e=dRAQER

    post your best conversion Danno, lets see how good you are and im putting up the jpeg😁

  • Members 4254 posts
    May 27, 2023, 5:12 a.m.

    No, you haven't put up the jpeg.

    I have posted numerous images processed from raw in both the Samples and Galleries forum and Photography Critique forums.

    Feel free to comment on any of those.

  • Members 2332 posts
    May 27, 2023, 5:15 a.m.

    🐔🐔🐔

  • Members 4254 posts
    May 27, 2023, 5:22 a.m.

    You are withholding the jpeg you said you are putting up.

    You are also proving my points 2, 6 and 7 in my earlier post 😊

    The link you posted takes me to the sign up page for OneDive. So the obvious question is "So what?"

  • Members 457 posts
    May 27, 2023, 5:57 a.m.

    Note for Sony cameras: when 109+ Zebras do not show clipping, the histogram and highlight warning in the image review may show clipping. 109+ Zebra settings do not affect in-camera histograms.
    Using 109+ Zebras can help to get close to optimal exposure, but is no guarantee against clipping or lower exposure than possible.
    Raw histograms in the post are tools to verify and select the best exposures.

  • Members 457 posts
    May 27, 2023, 6:05 a.m.

    If you believe that shooting raw is about being able to correct mistakes, then you do not understand the purpose of raw files and should continue using JPEG and let the camera's computer decide what the final output should look like.

  • Members 2332 posts
    May 27, 2023, 6:11 a.m.

    of cause im withholding the jpeg till you or anyone else posts the raw converted, then i compare it to the jpeg out of camera.
    you thought i was kidding when i said that the jpegs are 1st class.

  • Members 2332 posts
    May 27, 2023, 6:13 a.m.

    you missed the point of the post. i was having some friendly banta with Illah.😁 forums get boring otherwise.

  • Members 4254 posts
    May 27, 2023, 6:30 a.m.

    But I have no way of verifying how any jpeg you post was created. You have a history of faking images to support the agenda you are pushing at the time.

    You are still proving my points 2, 6 and 7 from earlier 😊

    What I said was:

  • Members 976 posts
    May 27, 2023, 1:55 p.m.
  • Members 976 posts
    May 27, 2023, 2:01 p.m.

    The embedded JPEG looks not very inspiring
    A7M01521.jpg

    A7M01521.jpg

    JPG, 974.9 KB, uploaded by IliahBorg on May 27, 2023.

  • Members 205 posts
    May 27, 2023, 5:03 p.m.
  • Removed user
    May 27, 2023, 6:30 p.m.

    Sorry I ruffled your feathers - by all means please do continue your ongoing battle with the other guy.

    Hm=k.L.N^2/t