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Why Don't Camera's Have Raw Histograms?

DanHasLeftForum
May 18, 2023
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    JimKasson
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    May 28, 2023, 9:48 p.m. May 28, 2023, 9:48 p.m.
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    @DonaldB has written:

    Raw link. have fun processing.

    1drv.ms/i/s!ArStsPjQ301PmVRlBdd9pUNK8lCg?e=UTDps5

    About a stop underexposed form ETTR.

    A7M01564-Full-7028x4688.png

    A7M01564-Full-7028x4688.png

    PNG, 153.9 KB, uploaded by JimKasson on May 28, 2023.

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    IliahBorg
    Members 976 posts
    May 28, 2023, 9:51 p.m. May 28, 2023, 9:51 p.m.
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    @DonaldB has written:

    nice detail raw really helped

    It helps even more when it's raw (lossless).

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    DonaldB
    Members 2435 posts
    May 28, 2023, 9:51 p.m. May 28, 2023, 9:51 p.m.
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    @CrashpcCZ has written:

    I wonder how exactly is this discussion "on topic". :-)

    In the meantime, with not much effort given, I am delighted to see what current cameras and processing can do. There were times where ISO800/1600 was where it got very ugly. Not anymore.
    I wonder why camera reviewers are saying that high ISO settings are completely garbage, and not usable for anything than marketing purposes.
    Welp, for basic documentation and mobile/FB content viewing, there is not much wrong about it.
    The old 24Mpx sensor of Z5 (D600 with some tweaks) "still got it".
    All nonsense photos just for testing purposes, but ISO 51200 nonetheless:

    51200_2.jpg

    51200_3.jpg

    51200_4.jpg

    51200_01.jpg

    Fine by me.

    you really dont understand what this post is about do you ? yet comment and dont even know what the topic is.🥱

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    JimKasson
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    May 28, 2023, 9:52 p.m. May 28, 2023, 9:52 p.m.
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    @DonaldB has written:

    Raw link. have fun processing.

    1drv.ms/i/s!ArStsPjQ301PmVRlBdd9pUNK8lCg?e=UTDps5

    Really strange combing in that histogram.

    A7M01564-Full-7028x4688likn.png

    A7M01564-Full-7028x4688likn.png

    PNG, 157.6 KB, uploaded by JimKasson on May 28, 2023.

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    DonaldB
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    May 28, 2023, 9:52 p.m. May 28, 2023, 9:52 p.m.
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    @IliahBorg has written:
    @DonaldB has written:

    nice detail raw really helped

    It helps even more when it's raw (lossless).

    no it doesnt.

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    DonaldB
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    May 28, 2023, 9:54 p.m. May 28, 2023, 9:54 p.m.
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    @JimKasson has written:
    @DonaldB has written:

    Raw link. have fun processing.

    1drv.ms/i/s!ArStsPjQ301PmVRlBdd9pUNK8lCg?e=UTDps5

    Really strange combing in that histogram.

    A7M01564-Full-7028x4688likn.png

    now show us all the related histogram that a 8 bit monitor would display. and then another of a print printed with 10 colours.

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    JimKasson
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    May 28, 2023, 9:57 p.m. May 28, 2023, 9:57 p.m.
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    @DonaldB has written:

    nice detail raw really helped. just for others the raw is left
    jim comparrision.JPG

    You are comparing images of different resolutions.

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    IliahBorg
    Members 976 posts
    May 28, 2023, 10 p.m. May 28, 2023, 10 p.m.
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    @DonaldB has written:
    @IliahBorg has written:
    @DonaldB has written:

    nice detail raw really helped

    It helps even more when it's raw (lossless).

    no it doesnt.

    Sure you can prove it, using that "best raw converter", as you call it.
    Lossy raw is full of artifacts, look in RawDigger.
    Not to mention this:
    Screenshot from 2023-05-28 17-59-53.png

    Screenshot from 2023-05-28 17-59-53.png

    PNG, 740.1 KB, uploaded by IliahBorg on May 28, 2023.

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    DonaldB
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    May 28, 2023, 10 p.m. May 28, 2023, 10 p.m.
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    @TonyBeach has written:

    For me the "mistake" is shooting JPEG. If the OOC JPEG is sufficient for your purposes, good for you, but that doesn't mean it is for everyone.

    walking backwards are we.

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    IliahBorg
    Members 976 posts
    May 28, 2023, 10:02 p.m. May 28, 2023, 10:02 p.m.
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    @DonaldB has written:

    the related histogram that a 8 bit monitor would display

    Raw converter and image editor work from data, GIGO.

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    DonaldB
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    May 28, 2023, 10:03 p.m. May 28, 2023, 10:03 p.m.
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    @IliahBorg has written:

    Lossy raw is full of artifacts

    well post a full res converted raw then, is that to much to ask ? show everyone the artefacts viewed at 300% which is a 20 foot print.

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    IliahBorg
    Members 976 posts
    May 28, 2023, 10:12 p.m. May 28, 2023, 10:12 p.m.
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    @DonaldB has written:
    @IliahBorg has written:

    Lossy raw is full of artifacts

    well post a full res converted raw then

    I did, actually.
    Do yourself a favour, learn to make proper A/B comparisons?

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    DonaldB
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    May 28, 2023, 10:23 p.m. May 28, 2023, 10:23 p.m.
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    @JimKasson has written:
    @DonaldB has written:

    Raw link. have fun processing.

    1drv.ms/i/s!ArStsPjQ301PmVRlBdd9pUNK8lCg?e=UTDps5

    About a stop underexposed form ETTR.

    A7M01564-Full-7028x4688.png

    FRV says 0.3 of a stop

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    DonaldB
    Members 2435 posts
    May 28, 2023, 10:24 p.m. May 28, 2023, 10:24 p.m.
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    @IliahBorg has written:
    @DonaldB has written:
    @IliahBorg has written:

    Lossy raw is full of artifacts

    well post a full res converted raw then

    I did, actually.
    Do yourself a favour, learn to make proper A/B comparisons?

    you posted the embedded jpeg from sony program. you may have well just reposted my jpeg.

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    DonaldB
    Members 2435 posts
    May 28, 2023, 10:28 p.m. May 28, 2023, 10:28 p.m.
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    @JimKasson has written:
    @DonaldB has written:

    nice detail raw really helped. just for others the raw is left
    jim comparrision.JPG

    You are comparing images of different resolutions.

    thats what you entered into the competition and thats what was judged, you came 2nd 😁

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    IliahBorg
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    May 28, 2023, 10:29 p.m. May 28, 2023, 10:29 p.m.
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    @DonaldB has written:
    @IliahBorg has written:
    @DonaldB has written:
    @IliahBorg has written:

    Lossy raw is full of artifacts

    well post a full res converted raw then

    I did, actually.
    Do yourself a favour, learn to make proper A/B comparisons?

    you posted the embedded jpeg from sony program. you may have well just reposted my jpeg.

    I never used a "sony program" to post an embedded JPEG.
    I used Sony IEDT to post a full raw conversion, a TIFF.
    Sorry you can't concentrate.

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    DonaldB
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    May 28, 2023, 10:33 p.m. May 28, 2023, 10:33 p.m.
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    @IliahBorg has written:
    @DonaldB has written:
    @IliahBorg has written:
    @DonaldB has written:
    @IliahBorg has written:

    Lossy raw is full of artifacts

    well post a full res converted raw then

    I did, actually.
    Do yourself a favour, learn to make proper A/B comparisons?

    you posted the embedded jpeg from sony program. you may have well just reposted my jpeg.

    I never used a "sony program" to post an embedded JPEG.
    I used Sony IEDT to post a full raw conversion, a TIFF.
    Sorry you can't concentrate.

    "im not real smart but i can lift heavy fings" 😉i have no idea how to extract embedded files . can you do it in ACR ?

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    TonyBeach
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    May 28, 2023, 10:35 p.m. May 28, 2023, 10:35 p.m.
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    @DonaldB has written:
    @TonyBeach has written:

    For me the "mistake" is shooting JPEG. If the OOC JPEG is sufficient for your purposes, good for you, but that doesn't mean it is for everyone.

    walking backwards are we.

    Is that a question? If so, and your persistent failure to use proper punctuation makes it a legitimate question here, then the answer is no. I'm holding you accountable for what you are writing in this thread, not some thread in a distant past. What's more, I'm bringing the discussion back to the original topic while you are trying to derail it with your silly argument over why we shouldn't need a Raw histogram because we don't really even need Raw files to begin with. You clearly have a tactic in your exchanges with me in this thread to divert attention away from your unsupportable positions, that being to ignore or otherwise not directly respond to replies that apparently embarrass you (e.g., the simple conversion I did of your parrot photo that I think showed clearly that the OOC JPEG was far from optimal, my comments about your curious choices for said parrot photo, and your failure here to address the question of ETTR as it relates to OOC JPEGs).

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