• Foundation 1405 posts
    May 14, 2023, 7:02 a.m.

    But in the sixties there were no such problems with clicks and pops. The industry allowed the quality of LPs to degenerate so that they could sell CDs ("perfect sound forever!"). I can buy second hand LPs from the 60s that have very quiet surfaces. You need very expensive equipment to play them on, however.

    David

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    May 14, 2023, 7:33 a.m.

    Why do some people buy, restore, and drive cars that are decades old? Why do some people write letters in longhand or use a typewriter? Apparently there are even guys out there who shave with straight razors.

    I guess the answer is that doing things in the old ways with old tools can be interesting and fun.

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    May 14, 2023, 8:03 a.m.

    Can you see my place from there 😉

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    May 14, 2023, 8:22 a.m.

    Yes, the poor quality of LPs was the trigger for changing to the CD, but quality had been falling before the CD.

    When I listen to the clarity of certain ECM or other well mastered CDs on fairly high end equipment, I just do not get the point of the vinyl LP, with its fragility and inherently technically inferior sound quality.

  • Members 1457 posts
    May 14, 2023, 8:23 a.m.

    Yes, that is obvious, but why. What extra can film give me?

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    May 14, 2023, 8:58 a.m.

    The OP doesn’t want it moved - so I won’t!

  • Members 2287 posts
    May 14, 2023, 9:13 a.m.

    its very popular with the 20 yold generation, my daughter and all her friends shoot film because its "cool" i gave my daughter our konica 35mm fully auto compact and she loves it, she doesnt even use the fuji xt20 i bought her last christmas. the little Konica is a quality compact made of aluminium and cost me $250 when My daughter was born, its now selling for $500-$700 i sold my nikon f3h for $300 5 years ago in mint condition.

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    May 14, 2023, 9:14 a.m.

    If you're going to be that reductive, an analogue photograph is just a collection of different sized silver crystals.
    In both cases there is no image there until some processing has taken place.
    Once that has happened they both contain images.
    Are you suggesting that an image of a great work of art is rendered 'soulless' if you view it online?

  • Members 14 posts
    May 14, 2023, 9:24 a.m.

    I think there are 2 groups to address here:
    It is apparently becoming popular amongst young people who have hitherto been digital only. I can't comment on the apoeal to them.
    And then there are older photographers like me who cut their teeth on analogue, switched to digital and are now using film again, at least some of the time.
    I suspect nostalgia is a big part of it. In my case, I have no oreference for analogue v digital images but I do love the more measured and deliberate process of shooting film.
    But I'm sure everyone has their own reasons

  • May 14, 2023, 9:44 a.m.

    That may be why Fuji cameras like the X-T5 are popular. The dials (as opposed to PASM) take you back to the analogue era where PASM was unknown.

    Alan

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    May 14, 2023, 10 a.m.

    That's the attraction. It's something special, unique, with a finite lifespan, that will be treasured for exactly those reasons.

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    May 14, 2023, 10:12 a.m.

    I must admit I love my little LX100 for that very reason. It has got apertures on the lens and a speed dial. It also fits into a jacket pocket, but that is another story. These dials are just so much easier and quicker to use than the spinning wheels that my Z7 has.

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    May 14, 2023, 10:16 a.m.

    I buy disks to hear a musical reproduction, as close as I can get to an original performance. The CD is much better in this regard. I have a cupboard full of old LPs, a leftover relic from my youth. I cannot bear to eliminate this albatross, I am sure those who do my house clearings will have no problems.

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    May 14, 2023, 10:20 a.m.

    Yes, I sold all my old analogue gear that was sellable for peanuts, when it seemed film was dead. I did not count on this revival.

    Still this youthful rebellion against our throwaway consumer electronics society, is something positive.

  • Members 83 posts
    May 14, 2023, 10:29 a.m.

    Both true statements.

    I've never stopped shooting film as digital became part of my workflow. At first I was so happy to have such consistency and ease in the editing process.

    But as the race for resolution continued I realized that I had lost something.

    The fact that there was no "cost" (effort and expense) meant I shot differently - with less forethought and intent, and if I'm being honest, this wasn't good for me.

    So now I have two digital cameras and two film cameras and what's interesting is the experience of shooting the GR1s film camera together with the modern digital version, the GRiii.

    They relationship is immediately obvious, but the experience is still a little different and really love them both.

    Btw, the new compact film camera that Pentax is developing has my eye. Because if it turns out to be a modern variation of my GR1, then I may buy three...

  • May 14, 2023, 10:32 a.m.

    Abosultely agree. It wasn't until I got my X-T5 that I realised what I was missing - the care and attention that a good photgraph really needs.

    Alan

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    May 14, 2023, 10:54 a.m.

    Yes, the feeling that digital has led us into spraying and praying with free film, is quite a common sentiment, and maybe one of the factors that is driving a return to film. Personally to combat this shooting laziness that some of us feel might is setting in , I took another way forward.

    The box behind the lens is digital and I cannot even think of going back to film. But I am working with shift lenses that are totally manual, and using these lenses is a slow process. I get to do "slow" purposeful more focused photography, using a state of the art recording medium. But some of my lenses are thirty years old.

    I can understand the revival of vintage lenses. Some of these lenses have interesting characteristics.

  • Members 118 posts
    May 14, 2023, 11:30 a.m.

    Never have so many good photos been made as now, yes I also know a lot of rubbish is made but that one ended up in the bin. The trial and error is also a learning method.
    I leave this question for reflection: At the time of the film how many good photos were left unmade?