DPR moderators still at it

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TheDavinator
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March 29, 2023, 6:29 a.m. March 29, 2023, 6:29 a.m.
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@DonaldB has written:

@Maoby has written:

@TheDavinator has written:

@Maoby has written:

One thing is certain, it seems obvious that the vast majority of DPreview moderators have a very bad reputation here. 😄

Being an Admin or Mod is a tough gig. I admin a number of larger FB groups and it can be difficult getting past all the noise to hit upon the truth. An example I found today was in the Site Feeback forum at DPReview. A fellow posted his grievances about the site in a thread called “Social Club.” It sounds plausible. Yet, this person has a long history of playing the victim. He had a good 7 or 8 user IDs over the years to troll and attack anyone…calling them liars, etc, etc. Classic case of projection. Unless the moderator had known the history, it’d be pretty hard to discern the truth.

Unfortunately, not just anyone can become a good moderator. It takes good judgment and analytical skills. What the vast majority of moderators at DPReview don't seem to have.

We need police in the cities too. But not a policeman who shoots at the slightest suspicious behavior.

couldn't agree more, was getting ridiculous where you couldn't even mention Sony in the m43 forum without getting a ban and no explanation at all. so many members are using FF and m43, even in the portrait forum you had to say every image was good otherwise a ban was executed instantly your post deleted so you couldn't link and complain to the admin.

Don

Good to see you here Don.

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JackHogan
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March 29, 2023, 6:39 a.m. March 29, 2023, 6:39 a.m.
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@bobn2 has written:

@JimKasson has written:

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Even after announcing DPR is closing forever, DPR moderators kept doing their apparent job by locking and deleting threads and posts left and right.

Not all of us. Check out MF Forum.

Sometimes the forums got the moderators they deserved and vice versa.

I think the interesting thing about the MF forum was that it was a multi-brand forum, and esoteric enough that it wasn't likely to produce the kind of brand loyalty that can go toxic. My experience was that the atmosphere varied forum by forum. When Canon was my main system I found the Canon forums very aggressive, with posts which some people deemed 'anti-Canon' being ganged up on. When I moved to Nikon those forums seemed really calm and reasonable. They even got trolled by Canon users ('who makes your sensors') and took it with a cool equanimity. Now in the Z forums it's a bit different, getting a bit more like the Canon forums. I have no idea what causes it. Still it will all be gone in a while and hopefully here we can find a way of not being quite the same as it was.

The PST was self-moderated, actively resisted attempts at having a moderator - and worked for the most part decently. I realize that it is easier when the discussion is typically based on facts rather than opinion so it may not generalize well. However, even at the PST it was useful to have recourse when the behavior of a few bad apples risked making moderation a necessity.

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KeithWC
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March 29, 2023, 7:13 a.m. March 29, 2023, 7:13 a.m.
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Hi, Moderators are still required but I agree that sometimes it can be a little heavy-handed. It would be useful if there was a way of accessing the reason for bans.
Moderation was worse in the past & should not be used for just giving criticism of others' opinions unless outright rudeness is used

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AlbertM43user
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March 29, 2023, 7:52 a.m. March 29, 2023, 7:52 a.m.
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@DonaldB has written:

@Maoby has written:

@TheDavinator has written:

@Maoby has written:

One thing is certain, it seems obvious that the vast majority of DPreview moderators have a very bad reputation here. 😄

Being an Admin or Mod is a tough gig. I admin a number of larger FB groups and it can be difficult getting past all the noise to hit upon the truth. An example I found today was in the Site Feeback forum at DPReview. A fellow posted his grievances about the site in a thread called “Social Club.” It sounds plausible. Yet, this person has a long history of playing the victim. He had a good 7 or 8 user IDs over the years to troll and attack anyone…calling them liars, etc, etc. Classic case of projection. Unless the moderator had known the history, it’d be pretty hard to discern the truth.

Unfortunately, not just anyone can become a good moderator. It takes good judgment and analytical skills. What the vast majority of moderators at DPReview don't seem to have.

We need police in the cities too. But not a policeman who shoots at the slightest suspicious behavior.

couldn't agree more, was getting ridiculous where you couldn't even mention Sony in the m43 forum without getting a ban and no explanation at all. so many members are using FF and m43, even in the portrait forum you had to say every image was good otherwise a ban was executed instantly your post deleted so you couldn't link and complain to the admin.

Don

I am afraid that this is not true. Over the 10+ years of my participation I never see any banned simply because someone throw in a non M43 gear onto discussion in M43 forum there (as long as it is relevant).

No experience on portrait talk there.

Let us put the bad experience behind for a new starting here. I wish this could remain a civilize and reasonable place for this lovely craft.

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DonaldB
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March 29, 2023, 8:52 a.m. March 29, 2023, 8:52 a.m.
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@AlbertM43user has written:

@DonaldB has written:

@Maoby has written:

@TheDavinator has written:

@Maoby has written:

One thing is certain, it seems obvious that the vast majority of DPreview moderators have a very bad reputation here. 😄

Being an Admin or Mod is a tough gig. I admin a number of larger FB groups and it can be difficult getting past all the noise to hit upon the truth. An example I found today was in the Site Feeback forum at DPReview. A fellow posted his grievances about the site in a thread called “Social Club.” It sounds plausible. Yet, this person has a long history of playing the victim. He had a good 7 or 8 user IDs over the years to troll and attack anyone…calling them liars, etc, etc. Classic case of projection. Unless the moderator had known the history, it’d be pretty hard to discern the truth.

Unfortunately, not just anyone can become a good moderator. It takes good judgment and analytical skills. What the vast majority of moderators at DPReview don't seem to have.

We need police in the cities too. But not a policeman who shoots at the slightest suspicious behavior.

couldn't agree more, was getting ridiculous where you couldn't even mention Sony in the m43 forum without getting a ban and no explanation at all. so many members are using FF and m43, even in the portrait forum you had to say every image was good otherwise a ban was executed instantly your post deleted so you couldn't link and complain to the admin.

Don

I am afraid that this is not true.

Over the 10+ years of my participation I never see any banned simply because someone throw in a non M43 gear onto discussion in M43 forum there (as long as it is relevant).

No experience on portrait talk there.

Let us put the bad experience behind for a new starting here. I wish this could remain a civilize and reasonable place for this lovely craft.

there are already 3 members here that were run out of the m43 forums :-) as soon as they bought into FF. ive been in touch with them all via email over the last couple of years. it has nothing to do with trolling it was explained to us all by DPR staff, Sales was the driving force and looks like that didnt work LOL.

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DonaldB
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March 29, 2023, 8:57 a.m. March 29, 2023, 8:57 a.m.
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@DonaldB has written:

@AlbertM43user has written:

@DonaldB has written:

@Maoby has written:

@TheDavinator has written:

@Maoby has written:

One thing is certain, it seems obvious that the vast majority of DPreview moderators have a very bad reputation here. 😄

Being an Admin or Mod is a tough gig. I admin a number of larger FB groups and it can be difficult getting past all the noise to hit upon the truth. An example I found today was in the Site Feeback forum at DPReview. A fellow posted his grievances about the site in a thread called “Social Club.” It sounds plausible. Yet, this person has a long history of playing the victim. He had a good 7 or 8 user IDs over the years to troll and attack anyone…calling them liars, etc, etc. Classic case of projection. Unless the moderator had known the history, it’d be pretty hard to discern the truth.

Unfortunately, not just anyone can become a good moderator. It takes good judgment and analytical skills. What the vast majority of moderators at DPReview don't seem to have.

We need police in the cities too. But not a policeman who shoots at the slightest suspicious behavior.

couldn't agree more, was getting ridiculous where you couldn't even mention Sony in the m43 forum without getting a ban and no explanation at all. so many members are using FF and m43, even in the portrait forum you had to say every image was good otherwise a ban was executed instantly your post deleted so you couldn't link and complain to the admin.

Don

I am afraid that this is not true.

Over the 10+ years of my participation I never see any banned simply because someone throw in a non M43 gear onto discussion in M43 forum there (as long as it is relevant).

No experience on portrait talk there.

Let us put the bad experience behind for a new starting here. I wish this could remain a civilize and reasonable place for this lovely craft.

there are already 3 members here that were run out of the m43 forums :-) as soon as they bought into FF. ive been in touch with them all via email over the last couple of years. it has nothing to do with trolling it was explained to us all by DPR staff, Sales was the driving force and looks like that didnt work LOL.

Do you realize that you would be put on moderation and posts like this would be deleted ! On DPR
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MarekM
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March 30, 2023, 1:25 p.m. March 30, 2023, 1:25 p.m.
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I am afraid that this is not true. Over the 10+ years of my participation I never see any banned simply because someone throw in a non M43 gear onto discussion in M43 forum there (as long as it is relevant).

Reply:
It's absolutely true.
There was zero transparency on DPR. How would you know if anyone was banned?

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Threaded
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March 30, 2023, 1:59 p.m. March 30, 2023, 1:59 p.m.
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@Maoby has written:

One thing is certain, it seems obvious that the vast majority of DPreview moderators have a very bad reputation here. 😄

I’m not comfortable with all the mod-bashing that’s been going on over here. It seems to me that at least some of it is coming from those who were moderated against at the old place and didn’t like it much. The thing is, nobody ever does.

Moderation isn’t an easy job, it’s unpaid (at least on sites like this and DPR), and not everyone is suited to it. Mistakes happen. But also, people can and do overstep the mark online. Often they won’t recognise it themselves, they’ll think what they’re doing is completely justified, they’re winning their argument or whatever, but in reality they’re just being a bell-end. And they won’t like being called up for being a bell-end and having their posts deleted, and if you ask them (on a new forum, for example) whether they liked being moderated they’ll probably say no!

I completely believe you do need moderation on a forum. It should facilitate the discussion and ensure everyone can take part in a constructive manner. Without it, there’s a real risk that bad behaviours go unchecked and before you know it, the culture gets toxic and people are discouraged from taking part. The fact that some people will be ok with that, aren’t affected and don’t notice the problem doesn’t mean moderation isn’t needed, it just means they’re fortunate enough not to be on the wrong side of the bell-ends.

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softmarmotte
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March 30, 2023, 2:11 p.m. March 30, 2023, 2:11 p.m.
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I think the majority agree that moderation is needed and the bashing of exDPR moderators may or may not be justified

We come round to the same points :

Clear and reasonable rules
Transparency in moderation
A light touch through discussion and open conversation
Arbitration over contested moderation

@Threaded has written:

@Maoby has written:

One thing is certain, it seems obvious that the vast majority of DPreview moderators have a very bad reputation here. 😄

I’m not comfortable with all the mod-bashing that’s been going on over here. It seems to me that at least some of it is coming from those who were moderated against at the old place and didn’t like it much. The thing is, nobody ever does.

Moderation isn’t an easy job, it’s unpaid (at least on sites like this and DPR), and not everyone is suited to it. Mistakes happen. But also, people can and do overstep the mark online. Often they won’t recognise it themselves, they’ll think what they’re doing is completely justified, they’re winning their argument or whatever, but in reality they’re just being a bell-end. And they won’t like being called up for being a bell-end and having their posts deleted, and if you ask them (on a new forum, for example) whether they liked being moderated they’ll probably say no!

I completely believe you do need moderation on a forum. It should facilitate the discussion and ensure everyone can take part in a constructive manner. Without it, there’s a real risk that bad behaviours go unchecked and before you know it, the culture gets toxic and people are discouraged from taking part. The fact that some people will be ok with that, aren’t affected and don’t notice the problem doesn’t mean moderation isn’t needed, it just means they’re fortunate enough not to be on the wrong side of the bell-ends.

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Maoby
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March 30, 2023, 3:31 p.m. March 30, 2023, 3:31 p.m.
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@Rambow has written:

Even after announcing DPR is closing forever, DPR moderators kept doing their apparent job by locking and deleting threads and posts left and right.

I'm telling you, chinese censorship would really benefit from hiring these people, although in the long run they might bring down communism much like they did with DPR.

I have never seen moderators so vicious towards the members of a forum they were supposed to moderate.

There is clear distinction between censorship and moderation, something the moderators at DPR never really understood or more like it, they never cared about their own rules or common sense.

Unless of course the rules for posting only applied for us suckers while the moderators themselves took orders from Jeff himself, who's only trying to get enough cash to feed his hungry family every month.

Either way, the result is the same. The totalitarian regime imposed by the moderators at DPR has finally reached it's apex, meaning the closing down of the site.

It's all logical when you think about it, totalitarian regimes don't last long and DPR is no exception.

So next time you want to thank anyone for distroying an entire website, you can thank Jeff's minions, aka the DPR moderators.

Good job boys! Mission accomplished.

I would like to thank user bobn2 for creating DPRevived.com to help out the former members at the now defunct DPR.

PS. I had images with a recently locked thread at DPR, but i can't upload them here. The guy's thread was locked with no reason, a story that's repeating itself every day until the website will finally be deleted.

DPR moderators are a plague decimating the number of visitors, but i can't say they don't love their jobs, some might say they're overly zealos, some days i'm surprised they allow the publication of any threads at all!

If the prison guards aka moderators down at DPR would have had their way, DPR forums would consist only of endless ads and praises for the supreme leader, aka Jeff B.

But- party's over. I hear Jeff is broke after the divorce and can't(or won't) pay their salaries anymore, especially since he's running an empire anyway so he doesn't need DPR moderators singing his praises every day.
(Jeff's not the loyal type, if you haven't figured it out yet).

I take the liberty of posting here the same message as in "Moderation"

A perfect example of the dictatorship of the moderators of DPREVIEW
I just got banned (for 7 days) from DPREVIEW after posting this

All aboard!
dprevived.com/
More than 1300 members!

Today is March 30 and DPREVIEW will be closed on April 10 👍🏻

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Foskito
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March 30, 2023, 3:45 p.m. March 30, 2023, 3:45 p.m.
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At least I am not the only one who knows that AmaSony was in control.

In my opinion, Jerry Astro is the best of DPR moderators and MAKO (who controls several forums) the worst by far.

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keg
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March 30, 2023, 5:23 p.m. March 30, 2023, 5:23 p.m.
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@Foskito has written:

At least I am not the only one who knows that AmaSony was in control.

In my opinion, Jerry Astro is the best of DPR moderators and MAKO (who controls several forums) the worst by far.

I have never understood why a Nikon user moderates a Canon forum

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March 30, 2023, 5:24 p.m. March 30, 2023, 5:24 p.m.
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@keg has written:

@Foskito has written:

At least I am not the only one who knows that AmaSony was in control.

In my opinion, Jerry Astro is the best of DPR moderators and MAKO (who controls several forums) the worst by far.

I have never understood why a Nikon user moderates a Canon forum

Revenge?

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JerryPDX
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March 31, 2023, 2:14 a.m. March 31, 2023, 2:14 a.m.
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@keg has written:

@Foskito has written:

At least I am not the only one who knows that AmaSony was in control.

In my opinion, Jerry Astro is the best of DPR moderators and MAKO (who controls several forums) the worst by far.

I have never understood why a Nikon user moderates a Canon forum

Holy crap. I might just frame this. Let’s just say that moderation is not usually a great job to have if you’re looking for praise. Many thanks for the kind words.

Jerry

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Foskito
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March 31, 2023, 2:30 a.m. March 31, 2023, 2:30 a.m.
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@JerryPDX has written:

@keg has written:

@Foskito has written:

At least I am not the only one who knows that AmaSony was in control.

In my opinion, Jerry Astro is the best of DPR moderators and MAKO (who controls several forums) the worst by far.

I have never understood why a Nikon user moderates a Canon forum

Holy crap. I might just frame this. Let’s just say that moderation is not usually a great job to have if you’re looking for praise. Many thanks for the kind words.

Jerry

Jerry, are you Jerry Astro? 🤨🤨
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JerryPDX
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March 31, 2023, 2:31 a.m. March 31, 2023, 2:31 a.m.
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@Foskito has written:

@JerryPDX has written:

@keg has written:

@Foskito has written:

At least I am not the only one who knows that AmaSony was in control.

In my opinion, Jerry Astro is the best of DPR moderators and MAKO (who controls several forums) the worst by far.

I have never understood why a Nikon user moderates a Canon forum

Holy crap. I might just frame this. Let’s just say that moderation is not usually a great job to have if you’re looking for praise. Many thanks for the kind words.

Jerry

Jerry, are you Jerry Astro? 🤨🤨

Guilty as charged. 🤨. [oops, looks like I blew my cover]

Jerry

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Foskito
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March 31, 2023, 2:34 a.m. March 31, 2023, 2:34 a.m.
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@JerryPDX has written:

@Foskito has written:

@JerryPDX has written:

@keg has written:

@Foskito has written:

At least I am not the only one who knows that AmaSony was in control.

In my opinion, Jerry Astro is the best of DPR moderators and MAKO (who controls several forums) the worst by far.

I have never understood why a Nikon user moderates a Canon forum

Holy crap. I might just frame this. Let’s just say that moderation is not usually a great job to have if you’re looking for praise. Many thanks for the kind words.

Jerry

Jerry, are you Jerry Astro? 🤨🤨

Guilty as charged. :-). [oops, looks like I blew my cover]

Jerry

Cool, glad you are here... I hope you weren't the one who sandboxed me early this week there 😂😂
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JerryPDX
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March 31, 2023, 2:37 a.m. March 31, 2023, 2:37 a.m.
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@Foskito has written:

@JerryPDX has written:

@Foskito has written:

@JerryPDX has written:

@keg has written:

@Foskito has written:

At least I am not the only one who knows that AmaSony was in control.

In my opinion, Jerry Astro is the best of DPR moderators and MAKO (who controls several forums) the worst by far.

I have never understood why a Nikon user moderates a Canon forum

Holy crap. I might just frame this. Let’s just say that moderation is not usually a great job to have if you’re looking for praise. Many thanks for the kind words.

Jerry

Jerry, are you Jerry Astro? 🤨🤨

Guilty as charged. :-). [oops, looks like I blew my cover]

Jerry

Cool, glad you are here... I hope you weren't the one who sandboxed me early this week there 😂😂

I don’t think so, but if I did, I’m regretting it already. :-). Cheers!

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