• JimKassonpanorama_fish_eye
    1738 posts
    2 years ago

    The statement that the lightest element in the scene has a reflectance of 100% seems to ignore specularity.

  • DeletedRemoved user
    2 years ago

    It is an assumption made for the purposes of the following text in the link.

    Beginners please note that "the statement" does not apply to all scenes in the Real World

  • JimKassonpanorama_fish_eye
    1738 posts
    2 years ago

    Or even most real world scenes.

  • IliahBorgpanorama_fish_eye
    976 posts
    2 years ago

    Per Jones & Condit, 'brightness scale' ('dynamic range') of typical outdoor scenes varies from 4.75 EV to 9.57 EV.

    The Brightness Scale of Exterior Scenes and the Computation of Correct Photographic Exposure
    LOYD A. JONES AND H. R. CONDIT
    Kodak Research Laboratories, Eastman Kodak Company, Rochester, New York

  • DeletedRemoved user
    2 years ago

    Covered here

    Beginners please note that owning and using a Kodak 18% gray card in the manner referred to by @IliahBorg would be almost unheard of these days, although the principles mentioned by Kerr remain true to this day.

  • IliahBorgpanorama_fish_eye
    976 posts
    2 years ago

    I know ;)

  • JimKassonpanorama_fish_eye
    1738 posts
    2 years ago

    Does it relate to this?

    www.aghost.net/images/e0186601/ahistorylessonofrailroadtracks.pdf

  • JohnSheehyRevpanorama_fish_eye
    549 posts
    2 years ago

    It is most definitely incorrect, technically, to conflate "relatively ISO-invariant" with "totally-ISO-irrelevant" or "ISO-less", but there are differences in opinion, based on individual experience, that cause people to draw the line at different points in the sand as to whether the difference is practically relevant. Jim and I probably see the underlying empirical facts in a similar way, but we have very different editorial comments on practice, resulting from our own different subject matter.

  • JohnSheehyRevpanorama_fish_eye
    549 posts
    2 years ago

    On the opposite extreme is a camera like the Nikon D5, which still has some of the lowest pre-gain read noise in the industry, but has about the worst post-gain read noise in the industry, with currently-produced cameras. The newer on-sensor column-ADC designs are somewhere in-between.

  • JimKassonpanorama_fish_eye
    1738 posts
    2 years ago

    And probably different opinions on what are acceptable amounts of image noise. Almost all the time, I call the image too noisy before the read noise begins to play a role in the visible noise.

  • DeletedRemoved user
    2 years ago

    Yes, because Kodak was once arguably a "bureaucracy" in the World of Photography, probably long before I.S.O.

  • JimKassonpanorama_fish_eye
    1738 posts
    2 years ago
  • JimKassonpanorama_fish_eye
    1738 posts
    2 years ago

    And then there's QWERTY.

  • JohnSheehyRevpanorama_fish_eye
    549 posts
    2 years ago

    "Irrationally implemented" and "fake" are two different things, IMO.

  • JohnSheehyRevpanorama_fish_eye
    549 posts
    2 years ago

    The rule of forum efficiency goes something like this: make your posts 15% shorter by dropping relevant qualifying terms or conditionals to avoid seeming too meticulous, and suffer 5x as many posts from the resulting confusion.

  • DeletedRemoved user
    2 years ago

    ... and to never capitalize stuff like "imo" because it makes sentences wider and less abstruse ..

    ... (distant whine) ... "but im on my smartphone" 😋

  • IliahBorgpanorama_fish_eye
    976 posts
    2 years ago

    G.W. Whistler used 5', that was 1524 mm, establishing a new bureaucracy ;)

  • 2 years ago

    I have the same problem with my Canon EOS R6. The cut off point on the Y axis is too high (i.e. the number of blown pixels that is deemed to be insignificant), and in certain situations I get blown highlights that are not shown on a histogram, even at "exposure compensation" of -2EV.

    David