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"The proper exposure"

IliahBorg
May 31, 2023
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    IliahBorg
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    May 31, 2023, 2:20 p.m. May 31, 2023, 2:20 p.m.
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    @DannoLeftForums has written:

    The "proper exposure" for me is the maximum exposure* within dof and motion blur requirements without clipping important highlights.

    dprevived.com/t/why-dont-cameras-have-raw-histograms/3523/post/43626/

    Meaning, only the best possible exposure is the "proper exposure"? If so, I'm not subscribing to it.

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    bobn2
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    May 31, 2023, 2:30 p.m. May 31, 2023, 2:30 p.m.
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    @IliahBorg has written:
    @DannoLeftForums has written:

    The "proper exposure" for me is the maximum exposure* within dof and motion blur requirements without clipping important highlights.

    dprevived.com/t/why-dont-cameras-have-raw-histograms/3523/post/43626/

    Meaning, only the best possible exposure is the "proper exposure"? If so, I'm not subscribing to it.

    The systematic way to approach these question is to define first and categorise second.

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    finnan
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    May 31, 2023, 2:40 p.m. May 31, 2023, 2:40 p.m.
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    HAND.

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    IliahBorg
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    May 31, 2023, 2:45 p.m. May 31, 2023, 2:45 p.m.
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    @finnan has written:

    Nerds often use differing meanings.

    I don't know who are nerds, but pros often use a differing meaning.

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    IliahBorg
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    May 31, 2023, 2:59 p.m. May 31, 2023, 2:59 p.m.
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    @bobn2 has written:
    @IliahBorg has written:
    @DannoLeftForums has written:

    The "proper exposure" for me is the maximum exposure* within dof and motion blur requirements without clipping important highlights.

    dprevived.com/t/why-dont-cameras-have-raw-histograms/3523/post/43626/

    Meaning, only the best possible exposure is the "proper exposure"? If so, I'm not subscribing to it.

    The systematic way to approach these question is to define first and categorise second.

    For a start, I would be glad to have any constructive and practical explanation from the author.

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    bobn2
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    May 31, 2023, 3:13 p.m. May 31, 2023, 3:13 p.m.
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    @IliahBorg has written:
    @bobn2 has written:

    The systematic way to approach these question is to define first and categorise second.

    For a start, I would be glad to have any constructive and practical explanation from the author.

    I suppose the other approach is to weed out unnecessary adjectives. In common use we have 'correct', 'proper', 'optimum', 'best', 'good', 'maximum'. If they're all synonyms that looks like at least five too many.

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    Flashlight
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    May 31, 2023, 3:18 p.m. May 31, 2023, 3:18 p.m.
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    @IliahBorg has written:
    @bobn2 has written:
    @IliahBorg has written:
    @DannoLeftForums has written:

    The "proper exposure" for me is the maximum exposure* within dof and motion blur requirements without clipping important highlights.

    dprevived.com/t/why-dont-cameras-have-raw-histograms/3523/post/43626/

    Meaning, only the best possible exposure is the "proper exposure"? If so, I'm not subscribing to it.

    The systematic way to approach these question is to define first and categorise second.

    For a start, I would be glad to have any constructive and practical explanation from the author.

    I'm off to see a Bourne movie ;-)

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    IliahBorg
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    May 31, 2023, 3:23 p.m. May 31, 2023, 3:23 p.m.
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    @bobn2 has written:
    @IliahBorg has written:
    @bobn2 has written:

    The systematic way to approach these question is to define first and categorise second.

    For a start, I would be glad to have any constructive and practical explanation from the author.

    I suppose the other approach is to weed out unnecessary adjectives. In common use we have 'correct', 'proper', 'optimum', 'best', 'good', 'maximum'. If they're all synonyms that looks like at least five too many.

    Also, the term "latitude" is very common among photographers.
    I have a few shutters that don't have very fine speed gradations, and even combined with the aperture control (to the point of relaxing DoF requirements slightly) I'm 1/4 EV down from the hottest possible exposure. This isn't a proper exposure?

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    bobn2
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    May 31, 2023, 3:32 p.m. May 31, 2023, 3:32 p.m.
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    @IliahBorg has written:

    I have a few shutters that don't have very fine speed gradations, and even combined with the aperture control (to the point of relaxing DoF requirements slightly) I'm 1/4 EV down from the hottest possible exposure. This isn't a proper exposure?

    You should know from 1950's and 60's films that 'hot' and 'proper' don't go together.

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    finnan
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    May 31, 2023, 5:14 p.m. May 31, 2023, 5:14 p.m.
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    HAND.

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    May 31, 2023, 5:27 p.m. May 31, 2023, 5:27 p.m.
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    A proper exposure is whatever Chuck Norris says it is ... 😃

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    DonaldB
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    May 31, 2023, 8:25 p.m. May 31, 2023, 8:25 p.m.
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    @bobn2 has written:
    @IliahBorg has written:
    @bobn2 has written:

    The systematic way to approach these question is to define first and categorise second.

    For a start, I would be glad to have any constructive and practical explanation from the author.

    I suppose the other approach is to weed out unnecessary adjectives. In common use we have 'correct', 'proper', 'optimum', 'best', 'good', 'maximum'. If they're all synonyms that looks like at least five too many.

    "scene replication"

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    DonaldB
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    May 31, 2023, 8:26 p.m. May 31, 2023, 8:26 p.m.
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    @xpatUSA has written:

    A proper exposure is whatever Chuck Norris says it is ... 😃

    No Its Ken Rockwell, and he is a good photographer,

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    Mackiesback
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    May 31, 2023, 9:21 p.m. May 31, 2023, 9:21 p.m.
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    Why does this thread exist?

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    IliahBorg
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    May 31, 2023, 9:49 p.m. May 31, 2023, 9:49 p.m.
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    @Mackiesback has written:

    Why does this thread exist?

    Good question.

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    CAcreeks
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    June 1, 2023, 2:17 a.m. June 1, 2023, 2:17 a.m.
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    @IliahBorg has written:
    @Mackiesback has written:

    Why does this thread exist?

    Good question.

    Thread "why don't cameras have raw histograms" got too long. I stopped reading it.

    I would like to see evidence that an in-camera Raw histogram would help. Can I install RawDigger or FastRawViewer to get an idea? I can't really imagine the situations where I'd want to use a Raw histogram.

    ETTR is no good for me because it makes JPEG too dark. With modern denoise algorithms, noise in underexposed areas is no longer a problem. Or if it is, shadows can be darkened. That is the problem ETTR used to solve. It seems to me that almost any reasonable exposure can be made to work with a good Raw processor such as DxO PhotoLab.

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    DonaldB
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    June 1, 2023, 4:15 a.m. June 1, 2023, 4:15 a.m.
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    @CAcreeks has written:

    I would like to see evidence that an in-camera Raw histogram would help. Can I install RawDigger or FastRawViewer to get an idea? I can't really imagine the situations where I'd want to use a Raw histogram.

    Its free for a month. i bought Fast raw viewer, you can then compare and enter these debates have ing the industry standard program.

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    IliahBorg
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    June 1, 2023, 4:23 a.m. June 1, 2023, 4:23 a.m.
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    @CAcreeks has written:

    ETTR is no good for me because it makes JPEG too dark.

    Depends. It can make OOC JPEGs too bright too.

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