live histogram on your Hasselblad is obviously a jpeg. my live histogram/zebras didnt move when i changed WB or even DRO from one extreme to the other.
live histogram on your Hasselblad is obviously a jpeg. my live histogram/zebras didnt move when i changed WB or even DRO from one extreme to the other.
i shoot some events in Jpeg. because i can 😎
@DonaldB has written: @ggbutcher has written: @LeicaMan has written:Maybe I misunderstand the question because I don't use histograms but Sony certainly has histograms visible prior to capturing RAW images. I haven't checked my Leicas but I will when I think of it. Since my cameras are all set to record only RAW and I had an histogram visible in the EVF of my A7c today.
The histogram visible in the camera's EVF is calculated from what would be the "as-processed" image, not the raw data.
the raw data is not the signal from the sensor either . so tell me what data would you like displayed and why.
which part of the pipe line do you think would be best for a histogram input.The raw data is as close to the signal as anyone will get, including the camera firmware developers. They may do minor modifications before packing it in the raw file, but that data has to be close to scene-linear or they mess up anyone's expectation of "raw"...
Frankly, after considering a good bit of the discussion here, I don't want a raw histogram, I'd rather have clipping blinkies based on the raw data. Even then, screw all that as I'm coming to terms with my highlight-weighted metering mode. Now, back to the "discussion"...
agree. my original thread. "Does Raw Histogram Matter" my answer was NO. good fun though testing with all my gear. but my A74 raws clip the same as my camera histogram, so i dont have that head room irrelevant whether its a raw histogram or not.
i shoot some events in Jpeg. because i can
Everybody can. Not everybody does, they have their reasons not to.
live histogram on your Hasselblad is obviously a jpeg. my live histogram/zebras didnt move when i changed WB or even DRO from one extreme to the other.
Not my experience with the following Sony cameras: a7, a7II, a7III, a7R, a7RII, a7RIII, a7RIV,a7S,a7SII, a9, a9II.
my A74 raws clip the same as my camera histogram,
Not according to the raw files and back-of-camera shots you posted.
good fun though testing with all my gear
Sorry, but my answer is NO, you are not testing. Tests have protocols, and they are systematic.
@DonaldB has written:i shoot some events in Jpeg. because i can
Everybody can. Not everybody does, they have their reasons not to.
they lack confidence knowing they make mistakes.
@DonaldB has written:live histogram on your Hasselblad is obviously a jpeg. my live histogram/zebras didnt move when i changed WB or even DRO from one extreme to the other.
Not my experience with the following Sony cameras: a7, a7II, a7III, a7R, a7RII, a7RIII, a7RIV,a7S,a7SII, a9, a9II.
you keep quoting the same cameras. do us all a big favour and post a live histogram from any of those cameras.
@IliahBorg has written: @DonaldB has written:i shoot some events in Jpeg. because i can
Everybody can. Not everybody does, they have their reasons not to.
they lack confidence knowing they make mistakes.
ROTFLMAO
@DonaldB has written:my A74 raws clip the same as my camera histogram,
Not according to the raw files and back-of-camera shots you posted.
argumentative. holds no substance.
@DonaldB has written: @IliahBorg has written: @DonaldB has written:i shoot some events in Jpeg. because i can
Everybody can. Not everybody does, they have their reasons not to.
they lack confidence knowing they make mistakes.
ROTFLMAO
😁
@JimKasson has written: @DonaldB has written:my A74 raws clip the same as my camera histogram,
Not according to the raw files and back-of-camera shots you posted.
argumentative. holds no substance.
Question for you JIm what's the latency of the live jpeg image in the EVF and what's the latency of the histogram ?
There is a need. I've been shooting in mute mode with reduced contrast so as to get some semblance of a raw histogram/blinkies. Unfortunately, it means an additional workflow step to process at the chosen profile.
Yes, it really irks when manuals for flagship professional cameras are written as if it's to be used by a P&S shooter, even worse when they appear to be written by a Japanese computer and put through a translator app.
@JimKasson has written: @DonaldB has written:my A74 raws clip the same as my camera histogram,
Not according to the raw files and back-of-camera shots you posted.
argumentative. holds no substance.
I pointed out the differences when you posted the images. You were silent on the differences I identified.
@DonaldB has written: @JimKasson has written: @DonaldB has written:my A74 raws clip the same as my camera histogram,
Not according to the raw files and back-of-camera shots you posted.
argumentative. holds no substance.
Question for you JIm what's the latency of the live jpeg image in the EVF and what's the latency of the histogram ?
I don't know what you mean by the word latency in this context. Do you mean the delay between the light leaving the subject and the light entering the photographer's eye? If so, the JPEG image has far lower latency, even if the camera is tethered. But for studio work, I often shoot a test image and look at the raw file, using the information thus revealed to know how much windage to apply to the in-camera histogram in that circumstance. Then you get the best of both worlds.
@DonaldB has written: @DonaldB has written: @JimKasson has written: @DonaldB has written:my A74 raws clip the same as my camera histogram,
Not according to the raw files and back-of-camera shots you posted.
argumentative. holds no substance.
Question for you JIm what's the latency of the live jpeg image in the EVF and what's the latency of the histogram ?
I don't know what you mean by the word latency in this context. Do you mean the delay between the light leaving the subject and the light entering the photographer's eye? If so, the JPEG image has far lower latency, even if the camera is tethered. But for studio work, I often shoot a test image and look at the raw file, using the information thus revealed to know how much windage to apply to the in-camera histogram in that circumstance. Then you get the best of both worlds.
The jpeg image is shown near instant in my evf or lcd from memory 1/120 sec . the live histogram/zebras takes 1.5 secs to show a reading.