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X-T5 with Digital Tele-Conv. On 1.4x

Maoby
April 18, 2023
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    Maoby
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    April 18, 2023, 4:01 p.m. April 18, 2023, 4:01 p.m.
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    The Fujifilm X-T5 generates stunning 40MP photography with its APS-C sensor
    But I find that the photo files are rather heavy, on average 50 M for RAF and 22 M for JPG
    I found it interesting to evaluate the “conv-Tele digital 1.4x” option of the sensor and get 20MP photos

    So I found it natural to compare the 20MP of the X-T5 with the 21MP of my Nikon D500
    For the comparison, I used the 35mm and the 56mm for the Fujifilm
    and the 50mm and 85mm for the Nikon D500

    Example:

    Fujifilm 35mm APS-C = 52.5mm FF x1.4 for 20 MP = 74mm
    Nikon 50mm APS-C x 1.5 = 75mm

    Fujifilm 56mm APS-C = 84mm FF x1.4 for 20 MP = 117.6mm
    Nikon 85mm APS-C = 127.5mm

    live.staticflickr.com/65535/52827351720_e65cb39644_k.jpg
    Nikon D500 (2016) 100% / Fujifilm X-T5 (2022) 100%
    by Marc Aubry, sur Flickr

    live.staticflickr.com/65535/52826951821_1204554405_k.jpg
    Nikon D500 (2016) 50% / Fujifilm X-T5 (2022) 50%
    by Marc Aubry, sur Flickr

    To see the full comparison, click here

    In the end, I noticed two drawbacks, even though 20MP files are now only 10M for JPGs
    But unfortunately, the files remain as cumbersome for the RAF "50 M"
    And the second downside is that each time the camera closes, it loses my "Tele-Conv. on 1.4x" selection.

    To conclude, I find the results of the 20MP of the X-T5 very convincing compared to the Nikon D500
    But for the two disadvantages mentioned above, this function becomes useless and very unpleasant to use.

    Hope I wasn't too vague!

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    Maoby
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    April 19, 2023, 1:15 p.m. April 19, 2023, 1:15 p.m.
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    live.staticflickr.com/65535/52824441332_e76913a4c7_k.jpg
    Nikon D500 (2016) / Fujifilm X-T5 (2022)
    by Marc Aubry, sur Flickr

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    Nikon D500 (2016) / Fujifilm X-T5 (2022)
    by Marc Aubry, sur Flickr

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    Morris
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    April 19, 2023, 4:22 p.m. April 19, 2023, 4:22 p.m.
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    To my eye, the images on the left have more detail and the way you documented this I think that's the D500. This is typical of what happens when one crops.

    Morris

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    Maoby
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    April 19, 2023, 4:47 p.m. April 19, 2023, 4:47 p.m.
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    Thank you very much for your comments, Hoping that other spirits will manifest 😎

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    Maoby
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    April 21, 2023, 12:47 a.m. April 21, 2023, 12:47 a.m.
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    To whom it May concern ;)
    See in the manual p.175

    OF = normal to get a 40 MP image
    1.4X = a crop to get a 20 MP image
    2.0X = a crop to get a 10 MP image

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    Android
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    April 21, 2023, 1:53 p.m. April 21, 2023, 1:53 p.m.
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    Great examples!
    Personally I find the X-T5 results better overall, one thing you might have noticed is that you also have to multiply the crop factor by 1.4x too.
    So, for the 56 1.4 for example, its 56x1.5x1.4 for the focal length and 1.4x1.5x1.4 for the aperture too, ie 118 f3
    So, for equivalence you might need to stop down further on the Nikon to get comparable results.

    I don't like that it reverts to normal fl on power down but a custom setting can be applied.

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    Maoby
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    April 21, 2023, 2:29 p.m. April 21, 2023, 2:29 p.m.
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    @Android has written:

    I don't like that it reverts to normal fl on power down but a custom setting can be applied.

    What custom setting are you talking about, to keep "conv-Tele digital 1.4x" active?

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    jaberg
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    April 21, 2023, 2:59 p.m. April 21, 2023, 2:59 p.m.
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    @Maoby has written:
    @Android has written:

    I don't like that it reverts to normal fl on power down but a custom setting can be applied.

    What custom setting are you talking about, to keep "conv-Tele digital 1.4x" active?

    I don’t have an XT5 to test but I wouldn’t be at all surprised if the digital teleconverter was one of the options that can be controlled by the XT5 Custom Presets. Update: this isn’t the case. One cameras X-S10 and newer, the custom presets go way beyond “looks”, and offer control of operational camera functions as well. Sometimes touching functions I wish I could opt to leave be.

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    Maoby
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    April 21, 2023, 3:20 p.m. April 21, 2023, 3:20 p.m.
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    I don't know the world of Fuji X very well, I have been using Nikon digital cameras for 20 years.
    I really like my X-T5, but the documentation and the menus are not the clearest.
    I would appreciate it if someone can explain to me clearly how to set the X-T5 to retain the 1.4x crop function

    See here the detailed version of the manual p.175

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    JPG, 401.4 KB, uploaded by Maoby on April 21, 2023.

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    UnclePhilly
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    April 21, 2023, 4:51 p.m. April 21, 2023, 4:51 p.m.
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    @Maoby has written:

    I don't know the world of Fuji X very well, I have been using Nikon digital cameras for 20 years.
    I really like my X-T5, but the documentation and the menus are not the clearest.
    I would appreciate it if someone can explain to me clearly how to set the X-T5 to retain the 1.4x crop function

    See here the detailed version of the manual p.175

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    My first impulse was to try and bind it to a custom setting - but to my great annoyance, I found the option greyed out when trying to do so. I couldn't begin to imagine why Fuji would not allow this, but hey, never been a camera without some quirks. Unless someone has a different idea, your best workaround is probably to just bind the Digital TC to a function button and re-select it upon each startup...

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    Maoby
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    April 21, 2023, 5:12 p.m. April 21, 2023, 5:12 p.m.
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    @ActualHouse has written:

    Unless someone has a different idea, your best workaround is probably to just bind the Digital TC to a function button and re-select it upon each startup...

    That's exactly what I did, but it gets very annoying after a while. Function to forget for me.

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    jaberg
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    April 21, 2023, 5:52 p.m. April 21, 2023, 5:52 p.m.
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    I stand corrected.

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    Android
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    April 21, 2023, 9:22 p.m. April 21, 2023, 9:22 p.m.
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    Sorry, I have X-H2, and assumed the Custom dial stored it, unfortunately not. So will need to be custom button, lower front :)

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    GOSoftware
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    April 21, 2023, 11:57 p.m. April 21, 2023, 11:57 p.m.
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    I tested my XT5. There’s no way to have it remember the TC setting. The best you can do is to assign it to a button or My Menu. I was able to assign it to the VIEWMODE button and it cycles through normal, 1.4x, and 2x each time you press it.

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    Maoby
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    April 22, 2023, 12:16 p.m. April 22, 2023, 12:16 p.m.
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    Thank you all very much for your feedback. 👍🏻

    Nikon D500 (2016) 21MP / Fujifilm X-T5 (2022) *20MP

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    Nikon D500 (2016) 50% / Fujifilm X-T5 (2022) 50%
    by Marc Aubry, sur Flickr

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    erick
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    April 23, 2023, 8:49 a.m. April 23, 2023, 8:49 a.m.
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    My X-H2 also does not remember the TC setting. I think both sets of images look about the same for image detail. I do not understand how croping can degrade the image quality or detail, its just a crop of the original. But saying that the X-H2 manual does state that using the digital TC can slightly degrade the image quality. But I could not see this. I assumed that the digital TC is just a straight crop of the center of the whole sensor, and displays only the crop in the EVF.

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    Maoby
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    April 23, 2023, 12:10 p.m. April 23, 2023, 12:10 p.m.
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    @erick has written:

    My X-H2 also does not remember the TC setting. I think both sets of images look about the same for image detail. I do not understand how croping can degrade the image quality or detail, its just a crop of the original. But saying that the X-H2 manual does state that using the digital TC can slightly degrade the image quality. But I could not see this. I assumed that the digital TC is just a straight crop of the center of the whole sensor, and displays only the crop in the EVF.

    Indeed, with the "Tele-Conv. on 1.4x" frame, the format is very close to µ4/3
    If it allowed the option to memorize the 1.4x We would have two cameras A 40 MP APS-C and a 20 MP micro 4/3 😄 👍🏻

    To see the comparison it's here

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    erick
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    April 23, 2023, 8:02 p.m. April 23, 2023, 8:02 p.m.
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    Yes, exactly what I was thinking. I use one of the buttons to change the TC settings, so not a real problem for me.
    For some of the scientific research I do, the digital TC is ideal (plus the high res EVF on the X-H2). I use a camera to track whales and need to quickly switch from 300mm to 420mm at times. I was thinking of getting a M4/3 camera but the X-H2 is a much better option.

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    BUDDYWASISNAME
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    April 24, 2023, 2:09 a.m. April 24, 2023, 2:09 a.m.
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    Why not just shoot at Medium or Small size...

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    erick
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    April 24, 2023, 3:55 a.m. April 24, 2023, 3:55 a.m.
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    @BUDDYWASISNAME has written:

    Why not just shoot at Medium or Small size...

    Using the digital TC is similar to using a real TC but it keeps the same F-stop value. Shooting at smaller resolution will re-sample the image, the digital TC is a simple crop, and you get the enlarged view in the EVF. Smaller sizes give you the same field of view as full size image but at a lower resolution. The TC will give you a narrower field of view (~longer FL) also at reduced resolution.

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    Maoby
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    April 24, 2023, 12:43 p.m. April 24, 2023, 12:43 p.m.
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    And with 40 MP sensors for APS-C or 60-100 MP for FF
    Using digital TC becomes usable. 😎

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    AlanSh
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    April 24, 2023, 10:16 p.m. April 24, 2023, 10:16 p.m.
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    Looking at the pictures of the fairy above, I prefer the Nikon one. What would it look like if you didn't use the 1.4 digital crop, but cropped in post processing,

    Alan

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    Maoby
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    April 24, 2023, 10:27 p.m. April 24, 2023, 10:27 p.m.
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    @AlanSh has written:

    Looking at the pictures of the fairy above, I prefer the Nikon one. What would it look like if you didn't use the 1.4 digital crop, but cropped in post processing,

    Alan

    The result would be exactly the same.

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