• Members 2255 posts
    April 26, 2024, 11:06 a.m.

    Discussing moderators' actions against members in the public forums has always been against the rules as far as I can remember but it is not explicitly stated in the current version of the rules, as it used to be in previous versions, although common sense would suggest the moderators will still enforce the rule.

    I would think most moderators would see posts discussing moderator actions as being against the catch-all "Be nice" rule.

    The process has always been to raise issues with any moderator actions directly with Admin, not in the public forums.

    To some extent I think that just as members in the public forums ignore requests put to them by other members they don't like, for whatever reason, Admin probably also ignores messages via the feedback form from members who have caused trouble for them in the past or who have behaved badly in the public forums.

    I'm sure replying to whinges or petty/trivial requests from members is not high on the Admins' priority list as they are busy enough carrying out their own admin roles.

  • Members 6 posts
    April 26, 2024, 11:22 a.m.

    The problem begins when said moderator believes that his/hers is a balanced and fair overview rather than their point of view. This is worse when said moderator believes that there is clearly an "absolute" truth which is obvious to anyone with an open mind. Then the forum invariably becomes just an echo chamber where like minds pat each other on the back and reinforce their own opinions. Questioning the base assumptions of the group then ceases to be healthy discussion and becomes "rocking the boat" or antagonistic behavior because it clearly generates antagonistic responses.

    It's a problem on forums moderated by volunteers. Mako probably believes he is fair, just and keeping the forum on track and level headed. Trouble is that the longer you live in a microcosm of confirmation bias the less tolerant you become to other opinions and you miss the tipping point where your "opinion" suddenly becomes a clear honest truth in your own mind.

    Three photos, portraits, one frowning the other two smiling. The two with the smile are presented at the same brightness but have different shutter speeds, and I mean you would have to push the shadows (re-edit to an extreme) to see any difference in noise. One of the smiles and a frown are "photo forum equivalent".

    So which two are the same?

    On a photo forum we invariably end up with most of the 149 posts proving that there is only one true definition of equivalence and it's mathematical. The rest of the world looks at the three photos and clearly see that two look exactly the same and the other is different.

    So who is correct? And more importantly where is the balanced discussion of these two viewpoints on photo forums?

    Forums by their nature promote like minded thought, and if you select the moderators from among those...

    DPR went downhill when they discussed and forced the no edit rules because it allowed the few to force the site to adopt what were basically their own perceptions of the true value and meaning of their photos into the rules of the forum. That every photo should be treated as though it were an absolute thing in itself that holds an absolute meaning. And in doing so shut down any discussion about the nature of modern digital imaging and it's possibly temporary and superficial overtones, and the superficial nature of the viewing audience. He who shouts loudest defines the echo...

  • April 26, 2024, 6:52 p.m.

    But you were talking about Admin actions, which is about process, not policy.
    You asked why the Admins do not reply to questions about membership. You could have asked 'what is the policy with respect to answering questions about membership'.

  • Members 1037 posts
    April 26, 2024, 7:40 p.m.

    I think I will just give up, until I go to the UK, where I can set up an account with another IP address, post a few inane comments and use a non obvious name.

    I seem to be on some sort of "naughty list"

  • April 26, 2024, 7:44 p.m.

    Not mine.

    Alan

  • April 26, 2024, 8:27 p.m.

    Yes, you are. All the comments moderators have ever made about you are there on your record. You can bet that your favourite mod on the mFT forum put some choice ones there and knowing him they were likely defamatory and personal. Now whenever a moderator takes some action - like every time you post, being sandboxed - they see those comments and they don't have any context so they just take them as gen. Plus, the very fact that they are checking all your posts tends to suggest that you are a bad egg all by itself.

  • Members 2096 posts
    April 26, 2024, 8:58 p.m.

    you dont need to go to a different country, just make a new account with a different device and a different email provider.

  • Members 6 posts
    April 26, 2024, 9:17 p.m.

    LOL, A few inane comments? How long before you can't resist but to press their buttons and expose the hypocrisy? The button forum is not broken, you are just not using it properly!

  • Members 2255 posts
    April 26, 2024, 10:21 p.m.

    If you behaved at dpr like you do here then that is a given.

    You need to learn how to fly under the dpr moderators' radars.

  • Members 29 posts
    April 27, 2024, 1:36 a.m.

    Subject-verb agreement - the applicable rule of grammar here - is not in dispute. The disagreement is whether none is singular, plural or indefinite. Figure out the etymology and usage of the word in various contexts, and the applicable rule of grammar that applies the corresponding verb form easily follows. Call the issue a grammatical one, if you must. But please don't dismiss the opinion of a highly respected editor, author and teacher simply because he subtitled one his books "A Modern Guide to English Usage" instead of "A Modern Guide to English Grammar." The same goes for The Cambridge Guide To English Usage. In addition to those references, I've also pointed you to The Oxford Dictionary's usage reference. If none of those suffice, consider what The American Heritage College Dictionary has to say about the matter:

    "USAGE NOTE: It is widely asserted that none is equivalent to no one and hence requires a singular verb and singular pronoun: None of the prisoners was given his soup. But the word has been used as both a singular and a plural form from Old English onward, and the choice between a singular or plural verb depends on the desired effect. Either a singular or plural verb is acceptably used in a sentence such as None of the conspirators has (or have) been brought to trial. When none is modified by almost, it is difficult to avoid treating the word as a plural: Almost none of the officials were interviewed by the committee. And in sentences such as None but his most loyal supporters believe his story, none can only be plural."

    Then there's Wikipedia classifying none as an indefinite pronoun with, both, singular and plural uses.

    And last, but certainly not least, there's the video on Merriam-Webster.com addressing the Old English use of none as a plural, notwithstanding it's derivation from no one.

    So, in summary, we can accept what Cambridge, Oxford, Merriam-Webster, Wikipedia, American Heritage, a noted The New York Times editor and usage expert and, no doubt, numerous other experts say about the matter or we can accept that NONE of them HAVE "thought it through" as carefully as you have.

    A pretty stinging condemnation based on nothing more than a passing reference to a literary foil. Bernstein's own rejoinder says it better than anything I could offer:

    "There is a perfectly legitimate code governing grammar, usage and style, but the code is set up neither by cranks nor by know-nothings. It derives from the generally accepted standards of educated users of the language, often but not always influenced by what the masses say. What the code does not need is ex cathedra injunctions by tinkerers who would tamper with idioms, invent grammatical rules and clamp word meanings into an everlasting vise. To resist them is almost as necessary as to resist those who maintain that whatever the people say is just fine. Both camps contribute to confusion and imprecision. What we require is neither a language that is cramped nor a language gone wild."

    -- Miss Thistlebottom's Hobgoblins: A Careful Writers Guide to Taboos, Bugbears and Outmoded Rules of English Usage

  • Members 2255 posts
    April 27, 2024, 1:53 a.m.

    This discussion, although interesting, is way above my "pay grade" but I'm on your side on this one.

  • Members 2255 posts
    April 27, 2024, 2:13 a.m.

    That's good to know because it's very clear then from some of the screenshots of dprevived posts appearing elsewhere in which NCV has refererred to members here and at DPR as "arseholes" that dprevived admin condone and in effect encourage such behaviour.

    And then NCV wonders why he doesn't receive any replies to his messages from DPR Admin. How dumb is that!!??? 😄

  • Members 1037 posts
    April 27, 2024, 4:45 a.m.

    Yes, I might just use my phone without WiFi . They seem to work with IP adresses, as they have all your old names in one place.

  • Members 1037 posts
    April 27, 2024, 4:48 a.m.

    I posted on the weekly picture thread on DPR M43 and slowly the regulars, including myself switched systems. It was really difficult to pass by the bullshit, fanboy replies. I resisted for a while, but a particularly stupid thread, would land me into trouble.

  • Members 2255 posts
    April 27, 2024, 5:28 a.m.

    IP addresses on their own do not prove it's the same person, just the same device and even then not necessarily. You need the device's MAC address to prove it's the same device.

    You could have multiple people sharing a device. This is a communal pc.

    In any case you can use a VPN (there are several good free ones available to download) to hide your real IP address.

  • April 27, 2024, 6:18 a.m.

    Good, then there is no dispute - time to end the conversation.

  • Members 2096 posts
    May 4, 2024, 9:46 p.m.

    Cant take DPR seriously any more. a guy posted some senior portraits and wanted some cc i downloaded the images and clearly the eye focus was all over the place and very obvious. i commented that i had the same problem with my a7r2 with inaccurate focus and my post got deleted 🤨 nothing new, so another thread a guy said that he only takes full lenght portraits with his camera at eye level and not at just below the chest, so i asked for him to post some images proveing that eye level was better and you guessed it "deleted" whats wrong with people 🤨 another thread i commented on that i only give honest opinions on others work and i dont like to lie by saying "oh what a great image" when it clearly isnt. "deleted" dishonest moderation is ripe on DPR everything is great ,everyone is perfect, what a joke. another thread was why doesnt anyone post images to show there comments are based on experience, i replied that i have in the past and told i belittled the poster by posting my images. "deleted"

  • Members 2255 posts
    May 4, 2024, 11:18 p.m.

    Again we are hearing only one side of the story here which might or might not be totally accurate so I have no way of judging for myself if the posts were justifiably deleted or not. Maybe they were, maybe they weren't.

    In any case, if your post implied you downloaded someone's image without permission then no wonder your post was deleted.

    Also, asking someone to prove their opinion that shooting at eye level is better could justifiably be seen as breaking the catch-all "Be nice" rule depending on how you asked.

    And in your last sentence maybe you did belittle the poster, even if it was unintentional. What matters is how the moderator sees what you posted.

  • Members 2096 posts
    May 5, 2024, 12:14 a.m.

    this is the latest. so ive done a print longevity test over the last 3 months using both my canon pro 10 s pigment ink and my new pro 200 dye ink, well so i posted my results that that the pro 200 faded to a redish hue and my pro 10s the reds faded to give a bland image and neither was better than the other 🤔 and i joked 100 years was what was tested by the experts was laughable , guess what ? it hasnt even made it to the forums yet 😎 do you think it will be allowed ? place your bets.

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  • Members 2255 posts
    May 5, 2024, 12:30 a.m.

    It might be allowed as a comical post because you seem to expect people to accept what you claim you did as being a legitimate test with verifiable results which is nonsense and laughable on that alone.

    Your fade results are different to what I found in the past.

    Anyone interested can do their own fade tests to see which is best.

  • Members 2096 posts
    May 5, 2024, 12:41 a.m.

    so you have no CC 🤔

  • Members 2255 posts
    May 5, 2024, 1:01 a.m.

    I placed my bet as you requested.